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Eric, do you realize that "this is the exact intent of this code" to
eliminate the requirement for strict code requirements. Better to
rebuild as was; than not to rebuild at all. Don't shoot the messenger
for the message! LOL

Here was the published philosophy:

"General Intent and Philosophy"
"To encourage the use and reuse of existing buildings
It is not reasonable to expect existing buildings to fully comply with
codes applicable to new construction
However adequate protection of public health, safety and welfare must be
assured
It is the TYPE and EXTENT of the work that governs the requirements -
not the EXPENSE
The Code Official has a much larger judgmental role in applying these
provisions"


R.J.Koning - Director
Contractors Institute
rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com
8301 Joliet Street
Hudson, Fl 34667
727-863-5147



-----Original Message-----
From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuritzky
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:19 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] work area for fire damaged SFR

If the roof has to be completely replaced, and I'm guessing most of the
interior walls, HVAC, electric and plumbing...then this wasn't a simple
'damaged' building.

Everyone seems to be trying to avoid the hard decision here, which is
that
all the new work, which is just about everything, should be brought up
to
existing code.

Hell, we demand more code compliance from minor changes of tenant use, a
simple house addition, or simply installing new windows (which, if I
recall,
must all bear product approval information and installation compliance).
Look at the requirements for installing a re-roof...it exceeds the
original
roof requirements.

If this house was sixty years old and had fabric covered electrical
wires,
would you allow them to replace the electric similarly?  With fuses
instead
of circuit breakers?

Repairing damage would be to me 'localized' damage, not the whole
blasted
roof.  Maybe part of the roof, or just the kitchen, but not everything.

If the HVAC needs to be replaced, would you permit an SEER of less than
10,
which might have been high when the home was built, if it had a SEER
rating
at all.  Would you allow less insulation than the code now requires,
say,
R-6 in the attic and nothing in the walls?

Do you realize the precedent this can set?

Eric D. Kuritzky, Architect, CBO
Orlando




On 11/5/08 4:53 PM, "Bob Koning" <Bob at ContractorsInstitute.com> wrote:

> I agree Christopher, but if understand this situation the building was
> "damaged" by a fire.
> 
> 
> R.J.Koning - Director
> Contractors Institute
> rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com
> 8301 Joliet Street
> Hudson, Fl 34667
> 727-863-5147
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Banbury
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:16 PM
> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] work area for fire damaged SFR
> 
> I understand that BOs are routinely pressed right to the bleeding edge
> of code application. I can just see somebody coming in for a permit
> whose house has been completely blown away by a tornado, foundation
and
> all, and asking to build the same house back as a repair. What could
you
> say? They say they want to build the same house back again.
> 
>  
> 
> In my opinion, neither the intuitive nor the code definition of
'repair'
> covers a scenario where entire systems are missing so that their
> original configuration cannot be deduced. Repair speaks more toward
> replacement of damaged elements. At some point the BO has to make a
> decision as to whether there is enough of the damaged structure
> remaining to determine what the pre-existing condition actually was.
If
> an entire roof system and walls are missing and the applicant cannot
> demonstrate what was there previously by photos or plans then calling
it
> a repair is just an invitation for wholesale alteration.
> 
>  
> 
> Christopher Banbury, PE
> 
> President
> 
>  
> 
> Ark Engineering, Inc.
> 
> PO Box 10129, Brooksville, FL 34603
> 
> 22 North Broad ST, Brooksville, FL 34601
> 
> Phone: (352) 754-2424
> 
> Fax: (352) 754-2412
> 
> www.arkengineering.net <http://www.arkengineering.net>
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