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-------------- Original message from "Dennis Stanley" <tstanley at i-1.net>: -------------- 


> Here is a little history of existing building codes. I do not know if it 
> will aid in the discussion or not. 
> 
> http://www.huduser.org/publications/destech/narrp/toc_narrp.html 
> 
> http://www.huduser.org/publications/destech/smartcodes.html 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Cramer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:00 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] work area for fire damaged SFR 
> 
> 
> I agree with the reasoning, but is that what the code says? 
> 
> How about if the house is in a flood zone? Do we now throw perfect reasoning 
> out the window? 
> 
> Mark Cramer 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com 
> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Bob Koning 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:33 PM 
> To: Don Meyer; Eric Kuritzky 
> Cc: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] work area for fire damaged SFR 
> 
> This is perfect reasoning. I am impressed. Thank You. 
> 
> 
> R.J.Koning - Director 
> Contractors Institute 
> rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com 
> 8301 Joliet Street 
> Hudson, Fl 34667 
> 727-863-5147 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com 
> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Don Meyer 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:26 PM 
> To: Eric Kuritzky 
> Cc: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] work area for fire damaged SFR 
> 
> An alteration is a decision you make to change your building. 
> 
> A fire is not a decision, it is an unfortunate event or accident. 
> 
> If the house had never burned, the owner would not be in the building 
> department getting a permit to replace trusses. 
> Without a fire, the house could last another sixty years and no one 
> would have a problem. Since it did have a fire and if it is repaired 
> with original material and lasted sixty years you get the same results. 
> 
> It is not making the house any less safe than it would have been before 
> the fire. On that basis it could be classified a repair. 
> 
> However, if I am spending money to fix my house I would want it to be 
> compliant and with the efficiencies of the current building codes. 
> 
> Don Meyer, Architect 
> Coral Springs, FL 
> 
> 
> Eric Kuritzky wrote: 
> > If the roof has to be completely replaced, and I'm guessing most of 
> the 
> > interior walls, HVAC, electric and plumbing...then this wasn't a 
> simple 
> > 'damaged' building. 
> > 
> > Everyone seems to be trying to avoid the hard decision here, which is 
> that 
> > all the new work, which is just about everything, should be brought up 
> to 
> > existing code. 
> > 
> > Hell, we demand more code compliance from minor changes of tenant use, 
> a 
> > simple house addition, or simply installing new windows (which, if I 
> recall, 
> > must all bear product approval information and installation 
> compliance). 
> > Look at the requirements for installing a re-roof...it exceeds the 
> original 
> > roof requirements. 
> > 
> > If this house was sixty years old and had fabric covered electrical 
> wires, 
> > would you allow them to replace the electric similarly? With fuses 
> instead 
> > of circuit breakers? 
> > 
> > Repairing damage would be to me 'localized' damage, not the whole 
> blasted 
> > roof. Maybe part of the roof, or just the kitchen, but not 
> everything. 
> > 
> > If the HVAC needs to be replaced, would you permit an SEER of less 
> than 10, 
> > which might have been high when the home was built, if it had a SEER 
> rating 
> > at all. Would you allow less insulation than the code now requires, 
> say, 
> > R-6 in the attic and nothing in the walls? 
> > 
> > Do you realize the precedent this can set? 
> > 
> > Eric D. Kuritzky, Architect, CBO 
> > Orlando 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/5/08 4:53 PM, "Bob Koning" wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >> I agree Christopher, but if understand this situation the building 
> was 
> >> "damaged" by a fire. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> R.J.Koning - Director 
> >> Contractors Institute 
> >> rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com 
> >> 8301 Joliet Street 
> >> Hudson, Fl 34667 
> >> 727-863-5147 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com 
> >> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Christopher 
> >> Banbury 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:16 PM 
> >> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] work area for fire damaged SFR 
> >> 
> >> I understand that BOs are routinely pressed right to the bleeding 
> edge 
> >> of code application. I can just see somebody coming in for a permit 
> >> whose house has been completely blown away by a tornado, foundation 
> and 
> >> all, and asking to build the same house back as a repair. What could 
> you 
> >> say? They say they want to build the same house back again. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> In my opinion, neither the intuitive nor the code definition of 
> 'repair' 
> >> covers a scenario where entire systems are missing so that their 
> >> original configuration cannot be deduced. Repair speaks more toward 
> >> replacement of damaged elements. At some point the BO has to make a 
> >> decision as to whether there is enough of the damaged structure 
> >> remaining to determine what the pre-existing condition actually was. 
> If 
> >> an entire roof system and walls are missing and the applicant cannot 
> >> demonstrate what was there previously by photos or plans then calling 
> it 
> >> a repair is just an invitation for wholesale alteration. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Christopher Banbury, PE 
> >> 
> >> President 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Ark Engineering, Inc. 
> >> 
> >> PO Box 10129, Brooksville, FL 34603 
> >> 
> >> 22 North Broad ST, Brooksville, FL 34601 
> >> 
> >> Phone: (352) 754-2424 
> >> 
> >> Fax: (352) 754-2412 
> >> 
> >> www.arkengineering.net 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> > Eric D. Kuritzky, Architect, CBO 
> > 
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