MyFloridaCode.com

Darius: If all that you have to cut is drywall that would be an easy way to 
go but I'm guessing that's not the case here.  (However I could be wrong)

Apparently the old window covered the opening so there's a reason why it 
didn't go further back in when it was installed.
It would be easier if we could actually see the opening..

I'm not sure PGT would have much to say about putting the screw into the 
glue attached wood.  As long as the distance from screw to veneer side of 
wood met NDS standards then the only question is how strong is the wood to 
wood bond?  (typically adhesives are stronger than the wood itself)

Perhaps Terrance will let us know how it turns out.

l8r,
glen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darius Grimes" <dgrimes at SkyeTec.com>
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Window Replacement with Brick veneer


> Glen that is a field solution but I would still require a letter from
> the manufacturer before attempting to fasten to a glued in buck. There
> are other issues affecting the drainage plane in the veneer as well that
> could create some liability for he window installer. Again, the proper
> way to install a replacement window in this application is to cut the
> drywall back to allow the thicker window to be inset enough to gain
> proper transfer of loads to the framing.
>
> I spent about 20 years selling as a wholesaler and then as a contractor
> supervising installation of replacement windows, my recommendations are
> based on sound installation that complies with recommendations contained
> in many manufacturers detail instructions and drawings. I am sure PGT
> would agree with the recommendation to insure the window gets a good
> bite in the buck.
>
>
> Darius H Grimes CRC, CSI, CDT
> Executive Director of Operations
> SkyeTec
> 9570 Regency Sq Blvd Suite 410
> Jacksonville, FL 32225
> dgrimes at skyetec.com
> Cell (904) 662-6707
>
> Mitigation is.........the effort to reduce loss of life and property by
> lessening the impact of disasters.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of
> codetalk-request at myfloridacode.com
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 PM
> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
> Subject: CodeTalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 15
>
> Send CodeTalk mailing list submissions to
> codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> codetalk-request at myfloridacode.com
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> codetalk-owner at myfloridacode.com
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
> "Re: Contents of CodeTalk digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Window Replacement with Brick veneer (Glen Mast)
>   2. Re: CodeTalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14 (Darius Grimes)
>   3. Re: Window Replacement with Brick veneer (Jim)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:20:22 -0500
> From: "Glen Mast" <glenmast at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Window Replacement with Brick veneer
> To: <bradsproducts at bellsouth.net>, "Terrance Pitcher"
> <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>, <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Message-ID: <C24FAE917E4D48889EB0EADAF99CEE7F at glens>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Terrance:  Your inspector is correct.  bd had a good idea and that is
> filling the void.  I would run this past the inspector or a plans
> reviewer before doing it but here is what I would suggest.  Using a
> fairly dry piece of  pt, plane it down so that it will fit snugly in the
> void.  Apply a generous bead of adhesive (PL premium urethane is a good
> one) to both the wood wall and the backside of the brick.  Slide filler
> piece into place.
>
> hope that works for ya,
>
> glen mast
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bradsproducts at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Terrance Pitcher" <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>;
> <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Window Replacement with Brick veneer
>
>
>> Your inspector is likely correct about drilling new holes,. as all of
>> these building parts such as windows have been approved for their use
> with
>> their engineering. Ya, common sense would say drill and it would work
>> great, but if it fails with the next storm, who ya gonna call. It
> (like
>> everything else)  boils down to liability. Why can't you just fill the
>
>> void? Hope this helps.
>> --
>> bd
>> www.bradsfinewoodproducts.com
>> -------------- Original message from "Terrance Pitcher"
>> <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>: -------------- 
>>
>> I have a frame building with a brick veneer It has a 1" space between
> the
>> two. The inspector is not allowing the window to be installed because
> of
>> the void. he says the window must be supported fully for the 3.5
> inches of
>> the window thickness. The outside is supported by the veneer and the
>> inside is supported by the drywall and the double studs underneath.The
>
>> void is where the screw holes are located.We wanted to drill other
> holes
>> in further to catch the studs and he
>>> said he needs engineering from the manufacture PGT to allow this
> change.
>>> -------------- next part -------------- 
>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
>>>
> http://myfloridacode.com/pipermail/codetalk/attachments/20081116/bf66e13
> e/attach
>>> ment.html
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CodeTalk mailing list
>>> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at:
>>> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL:
>>
> http://myfloridacode.com/pipermail/codetalk/attachments/20081116/2e66a10
> 1/attachment.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> CodeTalk mailing list
>> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at:
>> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:39:40 +0000
> From: "Darius Grimes" <dgrimes at skyetec.com>
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] CodeTalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14
> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
> Message-ID:
>
> <99957033-1226878786-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1961903044
> - at bxe109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> The proper way to install this is to cut the drywall back to allow the
> window to come into the structure where it can be properly mounted.
> Filling the void will not transfer the load to the framing properly and
> under negative pressure will trnsfer the load to the veneer which is not
> part of the MWFRS.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: codetalk-request at myfloridacode.com
>
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:00:01
> To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Subject: CodeTalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14
>
>
> Send CodeTalk mailing list submissions to
> codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> codetalk-request at myfloridacode.com
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> codetalk-owner at myfloridacode.com
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of CodeTalk digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Window Replacement with Brick veneer (Terrance Pitcher)
>   2. Re: Window Replacement with Brick veneer
>      (bradsproducts at bellsouth.net)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:13:49 -0500
> From: "Terrance Pitcher" <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Window Replacement with Brick veneer
> To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Message-ID: <001e01c947ed$2cba5500$0400a8c0 at D15WQ211>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I have a frame building with a brick veneer It has a 1" space between
> the two. The inspector is not allowing the window to be installed
> because of the void. he says the window must be supported fully for the
> 3.5 inches of the window thickness. The outside is supported by the
> veneer and the inside is supported by the drywall and the double studs
> underneath.The void is where the screw holes are located.We wanted to
> drill other holes in further to catch the studs and he said he needs
> engineering from the manufacture PGT to allow this change.
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://myfloridacode.com/pipermail/codetalk/attachments/20081116/bf66e13
> e/attachment.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:34:52 +0000
> From: bradsproducts at bellsouth.net
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Window Replacement with Brick veneer
> To: "Terrance Pitcher" <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>,
> <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Message-ID:
>
> <111620081334.6399.4920217C000711C3000018FF22218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C0
> 4040A0DBF9C9B0C9A0B019D9F9C0B0E9D0D at att.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Your inspector is likely correct about drilling new holes,. as all of
> these building parts such as windows have been approved for their use
> with their engineering. Ya, common sense would say drill and it would
> work great, but if it fails with the next storm, who ya gonna call. It
> (like everything else)  boils down to liability. Why can't you just fill
> the void? Hope this helps.
> --
> bd
> www.bradsfinewoodproducts.com
> -------------- Original message from "Terrance Pitcher"
> <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>: --------------
>
> I have a frame building with a brick veneer It has a 1" space between
> the two. The inspector is not allowing the window to be installed
> because of the void. he says the window must be supported fully for the
> 3.5 inches of the window thickness. The outside is supported by the
> veneer and the inside is supported by the drywall and the double studs
> underneath.The void is where the screw holes are located.We wanted to
> drill other holes in further to catch the studs and he
>> said he needs engineering from the manufacture PGT to allow this
> change.
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
> http://myfloridacode.com/pipermail/codetalk/attachments/20081116/bf66e13
> e/attach
>> ment.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> CodeTalk mailing list
>> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at:
>> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://myfloridacode.com/pipermail/codetalk/attachments/20081116/2e66a10
> 1/attachment.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CodeTalk mailing list
> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
>
>
> End of CodeTalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 14
> ****************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:14:13 -0600 (CST)
> From: Jim <jimfahs at younginspections.com>
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Window Replacement with Brick veneer
> To: Terrance Pitcher <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com>, codetalk at myfloridacode.com
> Message-ID: <1534786.1226891653495.JavaMail.root at web02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'd say, simply work with PGT engineering,  My experience has been
> that window company engineering departments are very accessible.
> You are fortunate in this case you are working with a Florida
> company - they will understand you more readily than
> out-of-staters.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun Nov 16 07:13:49 CST 2008, Terrance Pitcher
> <ppitcher at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a frame building with a brick veneer It has a 1" space
>> between the two. The inspector is not allowing the window to be
>> installed because of the void. he says the window must be
>> supported fully for the 3.5 inches of the window thickness. The
>> outside is supported by the veneer and the inside is supported by
>> the drywall and the double studs underneath.The void is where the
>> screw holes are located.We wanted to drill other holes in further
>> to catch the studs and he said he needs engineering from the
>> manufacture PGT to allow this change.
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL:
>>
> http://myfloridacode.com/pipermail/codetalk/attachments/20081116/bf66e13
> e/attachment.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> CodeTalk mailing list
>> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at:
>> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CodeTalk mailing list
> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk
>
>
> End of CodeTalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 15
> ****************************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> CodeTalk mailing list
> CodeTalk at myfloridacode.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at:
> http://myfloridacode.com/mailman/listinfo/codetalk