[Florida Code Talk] Liesn/ Notice of commencement/
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Wed Aug 19 09:36:21 EDT 2009
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[This is not legal advice and is provided for discussion and exchange of ideas purposes only] In my opinion, your customer needs to see a construction lawyer who specializes in defending against liens. The Florida Lien law is one of the most complicated legal messes there is and on top of that, it changes at least slightly almost every year-- and then case law modifies (er, interprets) the statutory changes. I know this because this is in my practice area even though I am not up in your part of the state. If your customer does not know of such a lawyer, the Florida Bar has a list of Board Certified Construction Lawyers on its website ( www.flabar.org) which is a good place to start looking. Normally, $42,000 falls into what we call the litigation hell of enough money lost to hurt but not enough to be cost-effective to litigate over. However, because the lien law has a number of provisions that provide for attorneys fees, the inability of unlicensed contractors (and designers) to charge and keep moneys from their work (subs below are sometimes protected), it makes sense to your customer to buy a couple hours of the right lawyer's time for the lawyer to construct a timeline of events and do an analysis of what kind of position your customer is in and what her options may be. Hope this was a little bit helpful. Good luck (to your customer) and best regards, Robert Robert S. Fine, Esq., AIA Environmental, Land Development, Accessibility, Building and Life Safety Codes Law Board Certified in Construction Law Greenberg Traurig, PA 1221 Brickell Avenue Miami, Florida 33131 Tel: (305) 579-0826 Fax:(305) 961-5826 E-Mail: FineR at gtlaw.com ________________________________ From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mahoney Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:39 PM To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Liesn/ Notice of commencement/ I have a question that I know someone can answer for me. I did take the class on Florida Lien Laws but that was a couple of years ago and I cannot remember everything so before I begin to research this I am sure one of you Ladies or Gentleman may have a better memory than me. Here is the Scenario Just recently I have started doing many different jobs for a wonderful customer. Before I Started working for her she hired a Design Company to remodel 2 of her bathrooms for a job total of $ 42,000.00. I've seen the work that they had done and the job came out really nice. Here is her problem. She told me today that she had paid the design company in full on May 15th when the job was completed. She received a phone call today from one of the sub contractors that said that they were not paid. First I looked at her invoice and did not see a license number. A red Flag went up. I asked her if she had paid each different Contractor separately. She did not. Apparently the design Company is acting as a contractor. Red flag came up again. I asked her if there was a permit pulled. Her answer was no I didn't want my taxes to go up. My next question was did you sign a notice of commencement. No she did not. I KNOW STUPID, STUPID, STUPID that is why she should hire a contractor. I then asked if she had received any registered letters from suppliers or Sub contractors introducing themselves before they had started any work . The 3 Ways I know are registered letter , A letter handed to her, or a letter posted at the job. She told me that yes she did receive 2 registered letters at first but they were only from 2 of the subs out of approximately 5. My question is this. What exactly has this woman gotten herself into? I would hate to see her have to pay for this again. I would also hate to see the subs not get paid. Should she see a lawyer? Can a Designer act as a contractor? 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