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Thu Aug 20 11:24:20 EDT 2009

Hey just an FYI,

I have attached some info I thought that might help with some of the
discussions I read......

Have a Great Day, Joe Creech

Joe Creech 

Building Official 
Hernando County Development Dept. 
Brooksville, FL  34601 
Phone: 352-754-4050 
Fax: 352-754-4159 
E-mail: JCreech at HernandoCounty.us

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wall in metal building

A 1-hour horizontal assembly creating a rated "tunnel or hat" with the
rated side walls can be used. Be sure to select appropriate UL assembly.

John M. Barley,II FAIA

Managing Partner

The Barley Consulting Group, LLP

4168 Oxford Avenue

Jacksonville, FL 32210-4458

Phone - 904.387.5855

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The sub that was not paid, did they file a Notice To Owner?
?
When did the Job Start?
?
When did the subs that filed the NTO come on the job?
?
When was the NTO filed?
?
Is the subcontractor Licensed, and I don't mean Occupational license?
?
If the subcontractor is not properly licensed, they have no Lien Rights
and they have no right to sue for non payment.
?
If the sub is licensed but missed the deadline for filing a lien, they
can still sue to get paid.
?
Since the lien has not been filed in atimely manner, no one has lien
rights anyway.
?
Yes the "Design Company" needs a contractors license, and if they don't
have the proper license, they committed a crime by working as an
unlicensed contractor.
?
The unlicensed contractor or "Design Company" needs to make sure the
subs get paid and the unlicensed design company can be sued for triple
damages.
?
I suggest the client contact the DBPR and local law enforcement about
the unlicensed design company.
?
Explain to the lady that this is the kind of stuff that happens when you
hire unlicensed contractors and try to play games with permits.
?
I hate to say it, but she deserves what she gets for hiring an
unlicensed contractor.

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???1. New IAEI CEO and Executive Director (Bryan Holland)
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???3. Liesn/ Notice of commencement/ (Dave Mahoney)

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:45:42 -0400
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IAEI Names David E. Clements to Serve as CEO and Executive Director

Richardson, Texas-- The International Association of Electrical
Inspectors (IAEI) today announced that its board of directors has named
David E. Clements to serve as the company's chief executive officer and
executive director.

Clements has served since 1998 as chief electrical inspector of Nova
Scotia Power Inc., where he is responsible for overseeing the Electrical
Inspection Department. Clements began his electrical career in 1973 as
an apprentice electrician, receiving his training and education through
the Nova Scotia Institute of Technology, which led to the receipt of his
certificate of qualification as a construction electrician in 1978. 

After several years in the electrical trade, working for a local
electrical firm, he decided in 1981 to take a position with Nova Scotia
Power as an electrical inspector. Five years later, he was promoted to
an electrical inspection specialist. He is a certified engineering
technician and has received a Certificate in Management from the
Canadian Institute of Management through Saint Mary's University.

Presently, Clements sits as a voting member on the Technical Committee
on Canadian Electrical Code, Part I, and is a member of the Regulatory
Authority Committee and the Canadian Advisory Committee on Electrical
Safety.

He was international president of IAEI in 2007 and served on the board
for 13 years. During his tenure on the board he chaired a number of
committees including fiscal affairs and long range planning.

Clements said, "A major benefit of the IAEI is the strength of its
membership and the many network and educational opportunities it
provides its members.? It is critical to continue to add and retain
members, and the organization must continue to offer the best possible
member benefits in order to achieve this. We must ensure that our
members have useful career tools that assist them in staying ahead of
the latest electrical trends, accessible and diverse opportunities for
networking and strong professional development. "

Clements will take up his new duties on July 1, 2010, and join IAEI's
board. He succeeds James W. Carpenter, a 37-year member of IAEI, who has
been chief executive officer since 2002.

Bryan P. Holland

City of North Port

4970 City Hall Blvd.

North Port, FL 34286

(941) 429-7053

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www.iaeifl.org <http://www.iaeifl.org <http://www.iaeifl.org/> > 

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:11:54 EDT
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Subject: [Florida Code Talk] 1 Hr. Rated Wall & Ceiling
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Greetings everyone,

I have an Interior build-out inside an existing steel building. Can the
9'? 
high 1 Hr. Rated Wall terminate at the 1 Hr. Rated Ceiling, or does this

wall? have to continue up and terminate at the underside of the roof
deck?

Paul Myrick, C.B.C.
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:39:20 -0400
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Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Liesn/ Notice of commencement/
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I have a question that I know someone can answer for me. I did take the
class on Florida Lien Laws but that was a couple of years ago and I
cannot
remember everything so before I begin to research this I am sure one of
you
Ladies or Gentleman may have a better memory than me. 

Here is the Scenario

Just recently I have started doing many different jobs for a wonderful
customer. Before I Started working for her? she hired a Design Company
to
remodel 2 of her bathrooms for a job total of $ 42,000.00. I've seen the
work that they had done and the job came out really nice. Here is her
problem. She told me today that she had paid the design company in full
on
May 15th when the job was completed. She received a phone call today
from
one of the sub contractors that said that they were not paid. First I
looked
at her invoice and did not see a license number. A red Flag went up. I
asked
her if she had paid each different Contractor separately. She did not.
Apparently the design 

Company is acting as a contractor. Red flag came up again. I asked her
if
there was a permit pulled. Her answer was no I didn't want my taxes to
go
up. My next question was did you sign a notice of commencement. No she
did
not. I KNOW STUPID, STUPID, STUPID that is why she should hire a
contractor.
I then asked if she had received any registered letters from suppliers
or
Sub contractors introducing themselves before they had started any work
.
The 3 Ways I know are registered letter , A letter handed to her, or a
letter posted at the job. She told me that yes she did receive 2
registered
letters at first but they were only from 2 of the subs out of
approximately
5. My question is this. What exactly has this woman gotten herself into?
I
would hate to see her have to pay for this again. I would also hate to
see
the subs not get paid. Should she see a lawyer? Can a Designer act as a
contractor? How can people educate themselves to hire a contractor?

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A properly licensed contractor that files a timely NTO and Lien Notice
can still file a Lien, even if a permit was required, but not pulled.
?
Bret Walley
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Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Liesn/ Notice of commencement/
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Designer can not act as contractor on any job that requires a permit
unless they have a contractors license.

If the subs that say they didn't get paid were electrical, plumbing or
HVAC they probably don't have much standing as they know that their work
requires a permit and there was none.

Also if I remember correctly a sub only has 90 days after their last day
on the jobsite to send a "NOTICE TO OWNER" or they lose their mechanics
lien rights.? (it's been lots of years since I took the test so maybe
that's changed)

Has she contacted the "design firm"?? Are they still around?

glen mast
MAST DRAFTING & DESIGN
(yes, Praise God we are still in business!)

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? Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Liesn/ Notice of commencement/

? I have a question that I know someone can answer for me. I did take
the class on Florida Lien Laws but that was a couple of years ago and I
cannot remember everything so before I begin to research this I am sure
one of you Ladies or Gentleman may have a better memory than me. 

???

???Here is the Scenario

???

? Just recently I have started doing many different jobs for a wonderful
customer. Before I Started working for her? she hired a Design Company
to remodel 2 of her bathrooms for a job total of $ 42,000.00. I've seen
the work that they had done and the job came out really nice. Here is
her problem. She told me today that she had paid the design company in
full on May 15th when the job was completed. She received a phone call
today from one of the sub contractors that said that they were not paid.
First I looked at her invoice and did not see a license number. A red
Flag went up. I asked her if she had paid each different Contractor
separately. She did not. Apparently the design 

? Company is acting as a contractor. Red flag came up again. I asked her
if there was a permit pulled. Her answer was no I didn't want my taxes
to go up. My next question was did you sign a notice of commencement. No
she did not. I KNOW STUPID, STUPID, STUPID that is why she should hire a
contractor. I then asked if she had received any registered letters from
suppliers or Sub contractors introducing themselves before they had
started any work .. The 3 Ways I know are registered letter , A letter
handed to her, or a letter posted at the job. She told me that yes she
did receive 2 registered letters at first but they were only from 2 of
the subs out of approximately 5. My question is this. What exactly has
this woman gotten herself into? I would hate to see her have to pay for
this again. I would also hate to see the subs not get paid. Should she
see a lawyer? Can a Designer act as a contractor? How can people educate
themselves to hire a contractor?

???

???

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