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IMO SFR do require a graspable handrail.

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Merry Christmas all.
assuming an individual has met all licensing requirements of FS 633 and 468, can he then be both the local building official and the local fire official/ inspector? 
thanks, ben
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Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residential Handrails;    CodeTalk
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Hi Jack

Single family dwellings do not require graspable handrails.. 

The term dwelling unit is referring to public housing..,..  See the  
definition below:


Dwelling  Unit. A single unit which provides a kitchen or food preparation  
area,  
in addition to rooms and  spaces for living, bathing, sleeping, and the 
like.   
Dwelling units include a  single family home or a townhouse used as a 
transient   
group home; an apartment  building used as a shelter; guestrooms in a hotel 
that   
provide sleeping  accommodations and food preparation areas; and other 
similar   
facilities used on a  transient basis. For purposes of these guidelines, 
use of  the  term "Dwelling Unit" does not imply the unit is used as a  
residence.

Tom Ricci
BT Builders Inc
954-214-4448


In a message dated 12/16/2009 8:31:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wing6790 at bellsouth.net writes:


Keith,
Great idea, I have all the codes from 1997 forward.  My question  pertained 
to houses built prior 1997, if those handrail designs were every  allowed?
Appreciate you comment.
Jack



____________________________________
From: Keith Gipe  <keithgipe at comcast.net>
To:  codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:36:53  PM
Subject: Re: [Florida Code  Talk] Residential Handrails; CodeTalk Digest, 
Vol 52, Issue  12

Why not by some up-to-date code books?  None of the  styles you describe
would qualify as graspable under the current  code.

Keith Gipe
Building Code Consultant
FL Licensed Building  Inspector #BN6075
FL Licensed Building Plans Examiner  #PX3088
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While doing real estate transaction  inspections on homes that were built at
various times, it is quite common  to see various handrail designs.??These
designs include:

1.? 2x6 on  edge with spinals attached to the board face.
2.? 1x6 cap on top on a knee  wall.
3.? 2x4 or 2x6 laid flat, 'T' shaped handrail and guardrail, most  
often?seen
on exterior stairs..

My code books date back to 1997.? My  questions?are do either design meet 
the
graspable code requirement and when  was the graspable requirement added to
the code.

EXCEPTION:?  Handrails for dwellings or within dwelling units shall have a
circular  cross section with a diameter of 1 1/4 inches (32 mm) to 2 inches
(51 mm),  or provide a noncircular cross section with
equivalent graspability  performance.

Thanks for your help
Jack Wingo
Advanced Home  Inspections
Melbourne Beach, FL
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You would have to know when the house was built and look up the code, as it would have to meet the code when the house was built.
?
Even today many handrails do not comply, most common mistake is it not being continuous and not having the proper width in the stairwell.
?
If a house was built in 1997, it would have to comply with the building code in effect at the time the house was permiited, which could be an earlier version.
?
Just because you see a handrail that is common, does not mean that it met code at the time it was built.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:20:01 -0800 (PST)
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While doing real estate transaction inspections on homes that were built at various times, it is quite common to see various handrail designs.??These designs include:

1.? 2x6 on edge with spinals attached to the board face.
2.? 1x6 cap on top on a knee wall.
3.? 2x4 or 2x6 laid flat, 'T' shaped handrail and guardrail, most often?seen on exterior stairs..

My code books date back to 1997.? My questions?are do either design meet the graspable code requirement and when was the graspable requirement added to the code.

EXCEPTION:? Handrails for dwellings or within dwelling units shall have a circular cross section with a diameter of 1 1/4 inches (32 mm) to 2 inches (51 mm), or provide a noncircular cross section with
equivalent graspability performance.

Thanks for your help
Jack Wingo
Advanced Home Inspections
Melbourne Beach, FL
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