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The saying appears to be true that "The more things change, the more they remain the same."  I guess leopards don't change their spots.

Lee Martin, AIA, LEED AP
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> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com 
> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
> Sent: Thu Jan 01 18:26:31 2009 
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County 
> 
> 
> That's the way its always been done here in Escambia County. The plumber claims 
> to have called the inspector who told him we needed an engineer. The "comments' 
> list also wants specs and mounting diagrams on the two proposed exhaust fans. 
> 
> I've also been told by two different contractors we were getting quotes from 
> that they have just gone crazy down there. The low price for those two 
> restrooms so far is $22k -- at least 4 times what I expected. I wouldn't even 
> be messing with this if it weren't for other work from the company. 
> 
> Thanks for your comments. 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Glen Mast 
> To: Chandler Knowles 
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:31 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County 
> 
> 
> I believe that the requirement for M & E engineers is incorrect. 
> 
> See Florida Building Code 
> 105.3.1.2 
> No permit may be issued for any building construction, erection, alteration, 
> modification, repair, or addition unless the applicant for such permit provides 
> to the enforcing agency which issues the permit any of the following documents 
> which apply to the construction for which the permit is to be issued and which 
> shall be prepared by or under the direction of an engineer registered under 
> Chapter 471, Florida Statutes: 
> 
> 1. Electrical documents for any new building or addition which requires an 
> aggregate service capacity of 600 amperes (240 volts) or more on a residential 
> electrical system or 800 amperes (240 volts) or more on a commercial or 
> industrial electrical system and which costs more than $50,000. 
> 2. Plumbing documents for any new building or addition which requires a 
> plumbing system with more than 250 fixture units or which costs more than 
> $50,000. 
> 3. Fire sprinkler documents for any new building or addition which includes a 
> fire sprinkler system which contains 50 or more sprinkler heads. A Contractor I, 
> Contractor II, or Contractor IV, certified under Section 633.521 Florida 
> Statutes, may design a fire sprinkler system of 49 or fewer heads and may design 
> the alteration of an existing fire sprinkler system if the alteration consists 
> of the relocation, addition or deletion of not more than 49 heads, 
> notwithstanding the size of the existing fire sprinkler system. 
> 4. Heating, ventilation, and air-conditioning documents for any new building 
> or addition which requires more than a 15-ton-per-system capacity which is 
> designed to accommodate 100 or more persons or for which the system costs more 
> than $50,000. This paragraph does not include any document for the replacement 
> or repair of an existing system in which the work does not require altering a 
> structural part of the building or for work on a residential one, two, three or 
> four-family structure. 
> An air-conditioning system may be designed by an installing air-conditioning 
> contractor certified under Chapter 489, Florida Statutes, to serve any building 
> or addition which is designed to accommodate fewer than 100 persons and requires 
> an air-conditioning system with a value of $50,000 or less; and when a 
> 15-ton-per system or less is designed for a singular space of a building and 
> each 15-ton system or less has an independent duct system. Systems not complying 
> with the above require design documents that are to be sealed by a professional 
> engineer. 
> Example 1: When a space has two 10-ton systems with each having an independent 
> duct system, the contractor may design these two systems since each unit 
> (system) is less than 15 tons. 
> Example 2: Consider a small single-story office building which consists of six 
> individual offices where each office has a single three-ton package air 
> conditioning heat pump. The six heat pumps are connected to a single water 
> cooling tower. The cost of the entire heating, ventilation and air-conditioning 
> work is $47,000 and the office building accommodates fewer than 100 persons. 
> Because the six mechanical units are connected to a common water tower this is 
> considered to be an 18-ton system. It therefore could not be designed by a 
> mechanical or air conditioning contractor. 
> NOTE: It was further clarified by the Commission that the limiting criteria of 
> 100 persons and $50,000 apply to the building occupancy load and the cost for 
> the total air-conditioning system of the building. 
> 5. Any specialized mechanical, electrical, or plumbing document for any new 
> building or addition which includes a medical gas, oxygen, steam, vacuum, toxic 
> air filtration, halon, or fire detection and alarm system which costs more than 
> $5,000. 
> Documents requiring an engineer seal by this part shall not be valid unless a 
> professional engineer who possesses a valid certificate of registration has 
> signed, dated, and stamped such document as provided in Section 471.025, Florida 
> Statutes. 
> 
> I should add that it would not be unreasonable for the AHJ to require a title 
> block and signature of the subcontractor on his or her drawing. 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chandler Knowles" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:05 PM 
> Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County 
> 
> 
> > Hi, Does anyone here have any experience with obtaining a building permit 
> > in Dade County, Florida? I have been told some horror stories by 
> > subcontractors down there. 
> > 
> > The job is only to construct two handicap accessible restrooms in an older 
> > retail store where three small restrooms recently existed. The owners 
> prematurely 
> > demolished the three restrooms and now are going next door to use a 
> > restroom. 
> > 
> > I was handed some simple hand-drawn plans that had been bounced with a 
> > comment list. I redrew the plans both in CAD and complying with FBC 
> handicap 
> > locations, dimensions, etc. and now it has bounced with another list of 
> > "comments". Some seem unreasonable based on 30 years experience in this 
> area. 
> > 
> > Locally, on a job this small the MEP subs can do hand sketches of risers or 
> > diagrams with the plans only locating the fixtures. I'm being told now that 
> > we must hire a mechanical and electrical engineer. 
> > 
> > Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated. 
> > 
> > Chandler Knowles 
> > Pensacola, FL 
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