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I spoke with an architect down there today who said that we might get it by 
the inspector but by the time they were done running through the Fire 
Marshal, Planning & Zoning and a couple of others, it would all come back 
for the seals.

The rest of us in Florida need to take another look at that area and realize 
that it will come to our areas too unless we do something to insert reason 
in the bureaucracy.

CK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Mast" <glenmast at comcast.net>
To: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County


>I would tell the plans examiner to look at 105.3.1.2 and then explain how 
>they can require it.
>
> glen
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
> To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>
>
>> That's the way its always been done here in Escambia County.  The plumber 
>> claims to have called the inspector who told him we needed an engineer. 
>> The "comments' list also wants specs and mounting diagrams on the two 
>> proposed exhaust fans.
>>
>> I've also been told by two different contractors we were getting quotes 
>> from that they have just gone crazy down there.  The low price for those 
>> two restrooms so far is $22k -- at least 4 times what I expected.  I 
>> wouldn't even be messing with this if it weren't for other work from the 
>> company.
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Glen Mast
>>  To: Chandler Knowles
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:31 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>
>>
>>  I believe that the requirement for M & E engineers is incorrect.
>>
>>  See Florida Building Code
>>  105.3.1.2
>>  No permit may be issued for any building construction, erection, 
>> alteration, modification, repair, or addition unless the applicant for 
>> such permit provides to the enforcing agency which issues the permit any 
>> of the following documents which apply to the construction for which the 
>> permit is to be issued and which shall be prepared by or under the 
>> direction of an engineer registered under Chapter 471, Florida Statutes:
>>
>>  1. Electrical documents for any new building or addition which requires 
>> an aggregate service capacity of 600 amperes (240 volts) or more on a 
>> residential electrical system or 800 amperes (240 volts) or more on a 
>> commercial or industrial electrical system and which costs more than 
>> $50,000.
>>  2. Plumbing documents for any new building or addition which requires a 
>> plumbing system with more than 250 fixture units or which costs more than 
>> $50,000.
>>  3. Fire sprinkler documents for any new building or addition which 
>> includes a fire sprinkler system which contains 50 or more sprinkler 
>> heads. A Contractor I, Contractor II, or Contractor IV, certified under 
>> Section 633.521 Florida Statutes, may design a fire sprinkler system of 
>> 49 or fewer heads and may design the alteration of an existing fire 
>> sprinkler system if the alteration consists of the relocation, addition 
>> or deletion of not more than 49 heads, notwithstanding the size of the 
>> existing fire sprinkler system.
>>  4. Heating, ventilation, and air-conditioning documents for any new 
>> building or addition which requires more than a 15-ton-per-system 
>> capacity which is designed to accommodate 100 or more persons or for 
>> which the system costs more than $50,000. This paragraph does not include 
>> any document for the replacement or repair of an existing system in which 
>> the work does not require altering a structural part of the building or 
>> for work on a residential one, two, three or four-family structure.
>>  An air-conditioning system may be designed by an installing 
>> air-conditioning contractor certified under Chapter 489, Florida 
>> Statutes, to serve any building or addition which is designed to 
>> accommodate fewer than 100 persons and requires an air-conditioning 
>> system with a value of $50,000 or less; and when a 15-ton-per system or 
>> less is designed for a singular space of a building and each 15-ton 
>> system or less has an independent duct system. Systems not complying with 
>> the above require design documents that are to be sealed by a 
>> professional engineer.
>>  Example 1: When a space has two 10-ton systems with each having an 
>> independent duct system, the contractor may design these two systems 
>> since each unit (system) is less than 15 tons.
>>  Example 2: Consider a small single-story office building which consists 
>> of six individual offices where each office has a single three-ton 
>> package air conditioning heat pump. The six heat pumps are connected to a 
>> single water cooling tower. The cost of the entire heating, ventilation 
>> and air-conditioning work is $47,000 and the office building accommodates 
>> fewer than 100 persons. Because the six mechanical units are connected to 
>> a common water tower this is considered to be an 18-ton system. It 
>> therefore could not be designed by a mechanical or air conditioning 
>> contractor.
>>  NOTE: It was further clarified by the Commission that the limiting 
>> criteria of 100 persons and $50,000 apply to the building occupancy load 
>> and the cost for the total air-conditioning system of the building.
>>  5. Any specialized mechanical, electrical, or plumbing document for any 
>> new building or addition which includes a medical gas, oxygen, steam, 
>> vacuum, toxic air filtration, halon, or fire detection and alarm  system 
>> which costs more than $5,000.
>>  Documents requiring an engineer seal by this part shall not be valid 
>> unless a professional engineer who possesses a valid certificate of 
>> registration has signed, dated, and stamped such document as provided in 
>> Section 471.025, Florida Statutes.
>>
>>  I should add that it would not be unreasonable for the AHJ to require a 
>> title block and signature of the subcontractor on his or her drawing.
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
>>  To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:05 PM
>>  Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>
>>
>>  > Hi,  Does anyone here have any experience with obtaining a building 
>> permit
>>  > in Dade County, Florida?  I have been told some horror stories by
>>  > subcontractors down there.
>>  >
>>  > The job is only to construct two handicap accessible restrooms in an 
>> older
>>  > retail store where three small restrooms recently existed.  The owners 
>> prematurely
>>  > demolished the three restrooms and now are going next door to use a
>>  > restroom.
>>  >
>>  > I was handed some simple hand-drawn plans that had been bounced with a
>>  > comment list.  I redrew the plans both in CAD and complying with FBC 
>> handicap
>>  > locations, dimensions, etc. and now it has bounced with another list 
>> of
>>  > "comments".  Some seem unreasonable based on 30 years experience in 
>> this area.
>>  >
>>  > Locally, on a job this small the MEP subs can do hand sketches of 
>> risers or
>>  > diagrams with the plans only locating the fixtures.  I'm being told 
>> now that
>>  > we must hire a mechanical and electrical engineer.
>>  >
>>  > Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated.
>>  >
>>  > Chandler Knowles
>>  > Pensacola, FL
>>  >
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