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Another note,  Florida Law does not require a Design professional for the 
plans if the scope of work is less than 25000 dollars.

glen
MAST DRAFTING  AND DESIGN



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schelle Wood" <schelle at dolphinsheetmetal.com>
To: "'Chandler Knowles'" <chandlerknowles at att.net>; 
<codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County


>I work mostly in Palm Beach County and this has been the method of
> permitting for many years - I believe the trump is LIFE SAFETY.  In the 
> this
> county with the exception of residential - engineers must stamp all
> construction - I am only a contractor, licensed to construct - not a 
> design
> professional.
>
> Rachelle Wood
> CSC056647
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Chandler Knowles
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:28 PM
> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>
> I spoke with an architect down there today who said that we might get it 
> by
> the inspector but by the time they were done running through the Fire
> Marshal, Planning & Zoning and a couple of others, it would all come back
> for the seals.
>
> The rest of us in Florida need to take another look at that area and 
> realize
>
> that it will come to our areas too unless we do something to insert reason
> in the bureaucracy.
>
> CK
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glen Mast" <glenmast at comcast.net>
> To: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>
>
>>I would tell the plans examiner to look at 105.3.1.2 and then explain how
>>they can require it.
>>
>> glen
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
>> To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>
>>
>>> That's the way its always been done here in Escambia County.  The 
>>> plumber
>
>>> claims to have called the inspector who told him we needed an engineer.
>>> The "comments' list also wants specs and mounting diagrams on the two
>>> proposed exhaust fans.
>>>
>>> I've also been told by two different contractors we were getting quotes
>>> from that they have just gone crazy down there.  The low price for those
>>> two restrooms so far is $22k -- at least 4 times what I expected.  I
>>> wouldn't even be messing with this if it weren't for other work from the
>>> company.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: Glen Mast
>>>  To: Chandler Knowles
>>>  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:31 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>>
>>>
>>>  I believe that the requirement for M & E engineers is incorrect.
>>>
>>>  See Florida Building Code
>>>  105.3.1.2
>>>  No permit may be issued for any building construction, erection,
>>> alteration, modification, repair, or addition unless the applicant for
>>> such permit provides to the enforcing agency which issues the permit any
>>> of the following documents which apply to the construction for which the
>>> permit is to be issued and which shall be prepared by or under the
>>> direction of an engineer registered under Chapter 471, Florida Statutes:
>>>
>>>  1. Electrical documents for any new building or addition which requires
>>> an aggregate service capacity of 600 amperes (240 volts) or more on a
>>> residential electrical system or 800 amperes (240 volts) or more on a
>>> commercial or industrial electrical system and which costs more than
>>> $50,000.
>>>  2. Plumbing documents for any new building or addition which requires a
>>> plumbing system with more than 250 fixture units or which costs more 
>>> than
>
>>> $50,000.
>>>  3. Fire sprinkler documents for any new building or addition which
>>> includes a fire sprinkler system which contains 50 or more sprinkler
>>> heads. A Contractor I, Contractor II, or Contractor IV, certified under
>>> Section 633.521 Florida Statutes, may design a fire sprinkler system of
>>> 49 or fewer heads and may design the alteration of an existing fire
>>> sprinkler system if the alteration consists of the relocation, addition
>>> or deletion of not more than 49 heads, notwithstanding the size of the
>>> existing fire sprinkler system.
>>>  4. Heating, ventilation, and air-conditioning documents for any new
>>> building or addition which requires more than a 15-ton-per-system
>>> capacity which is designed to accommodate 100 or more persons or for
>>> which the system costs more than $50,000. This paragraph does not 
>>> include
>
>>> any document for the replacement or repair of an existing system in 
>>> which
>
>>> the work does not require altering a structural part of the building or
>>> for work on a residential one, two, three or four-family structure.
>>>  An air-conditioning system may be designed by an installing
>>> air-conditioning contractor certified under Chapter 489, Florida
>>> Statutes, to serve any building or addition which is designed to
>>> accommodate fewer than 100 persons and requires an air-conditioning
>>> system with a value of $50,000 or less; and when a 15-ton-per system or
>>> less is designed for a singular space of a building and each 15-ton
>>> system or less has an independent duct system. Systems not complying 
>>> with
>
>>> the above require design documents that are to be sealed by a
>>> professional engineer.
>>>  Example 1: When a space has two 10-ton systems with each having an
>>> independent duct system, the contractor may design these two systems
>>> since each unit (system) is less than 15 tons.
>>>  Example 2: Consider a small single-story office building which consists
>>> of six individual offices where each office has a single three-ton
>>> package air conditioning heat pump. The six heat pumps are connected to 
>>> a
>
>>> single water cooling tower. The cost of the entire heating, ventilation
>>> and air-conditioning work is $47,000 and the office building 
>>> accommodates
>
>>> fewer than 100 persons. Because the six mechanical units are connected 
>>> to
>
>>> a common water tower this is considered to be an 18-ton system. It
>>> therefore could not be designed by a mechanical or air conditioning
>>> contractor.
>>>  NOTE: It was further clarified by the Commission that the limiting
>>> criteria of 100 persons and $50,000 apply to the building occupancy load
>>> and the cost for the total air-conditioning system of the building.
>>>  5. Any specialized mechanical, electrical, or plumbing document for any
>>> new building or addition which includes a medical gas, oxygen, steam,
>>> vacuum, toxic air filtration, halon, or fire detection and alarm  system
>>> which costs more than $5,000.
>>>  Documents requiring an engineer seal by this part shall not be valid
>>> unless a professional engineer who possesses a valid certificate of
>>> registration has signed, dated, and stamped such document as provided in
>>> Section 471.025, Florida Statutes.
>>>
>>>  I should add that it would not be unreasonable for the AHJ to require a
>>> title block and signature of the subcontractor on his or her drawing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
>>>  To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:05 PM
>>>  Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Hi,  Does anyone here have any experience with obtaining a building
>>> permit
>>>  > in Dade County, Florida?  I have been told some horror stories by
>>>  > subcontractors down there.
>>>  >
>>>  > The job is only to construct two handicap accessible restrooms in an
>>> older
>>>  > retail store where three small restrooms recently existed.  The 
>>> owners
>
>>> prematurely
>>>  > demolished the three restrooms and now are going next door to use a
>>>  > restroom.
>>>  >
>>>  > I was handed some simple hand-drawn plans that had been bounced with 
>>> a
>>>  > comment list.  I redrew the plans both in CAD and complying with FBC
>>> handicap
>>>  > locations, dimensions, etc. and now it has bounced with another list
>>> of
>>>  > "comments".  Some seem unreasonable based on 30 years experience in
>>> this area.
>>>  >
>>>  > Locally, on a job this small the MEP subs can do hand sketches of
>>> risers or
>>>  > diagrams with the plans only locating the fixtures.  I'm being told
>>> now that
>>>  > we must hire a mechanical and electrical engineer.
>>>  >
>>>  > Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated.
>>>  >
>>>  > Chandler Knowles
>>>  > Pensacola, FL
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