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Yes.  I am aware of that too.  Apparently those folks think of themselves as 
a power independent of the Code.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Mast" <glenmast at comcast.net>
To: "Schelle Wood" <schelle at dolphinsheetmetal.com>; "'Chandler Knowles'" 
<chandlerknowles at att.net>; <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County


> Another note,  Florida Law does not require a Design professional for the 
> plans if the scope of work is less than 25000 dollars.
>
> glen
> MAST DRAFTING  AND DESIGN
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Schelle Wood" <schelle at dolphinsheetmetal.com>
> To: "'Chandler Knowles'" <chandlerknowles at att.net>; 
> <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>
>
>>I work mostly in Palm Beach County and this has been the method of
>> permitting for many years - I believe the trump is LIFE SAFETY.  In the 
>> this
>> county with the exception of residential - engineers must stamp all
>> construction - I am only a contractor, licensed to construct - not a 
>> design
>> professional.
>>
>> Rachelle Wood
>> CSC056647
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
>> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Chandler Knowles
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:28 PM
>> To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>
>> I spoke with an architect down there today who said that we might get it 
>> by
>> the inspector but by the time they were done running through the Fire
>> Marshal, Planning & Zoning and a couple of others, it would all come back
>> for the seals.
>>
>> The rest of us in Florida need to take another look at that area and 
>> realize
>>
>> that it will come to our areas too unless we do something to insert 
>> reason
>> in the bureaucracy.
>>
>> CK
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Glen Mast" <glenmast at comcast.net>
>> To: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>
>>
>>>I would tell the plans examiner to look at 105.3.1.2 and then explain how
>>>they can require it.
>>>
>>> glen
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
>>> To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's the way its always been done here in Escambia County.  The 
>>>> plumber
>>
>>>> claims to have called the inspector who told him we needed an engineer.
>>>> The "comments' list also wants specs and mounting diagrams on the two
>>>> proposed exhaust fans.
>>>>
>>>> I've also been told by two different contractors we were getting quotes
>>>> from that they have just gone crazy down there.  The low price for 
>>>> those
>>>> two restrooms so far is $22k -- at least 4 times what I expected.  I
>>>> wouldn't even be messing with this if it weren't for other work from 
>>>> the
>>>> company.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  From: Glen Mast
>>>>  To: Chandler Knowles
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:31 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I believe that the requirement for M & E engineers is incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>  See Florida Building Code
>>>>  105.3.1.2
>>>>  No permit may be issued for any building construction, erection,
>>>> alteration, modification, repair, or addition unless the applicant for
>>>> such permit provides to the enforcing agency which issues the permit 
>>>> any
>>>> of the following documents which apply to the construction for which 
>>>> the
>>>> permit is to be issued and which shall be prepared by or under the
>>>> direction of an engineer registered under Chapter 471, Florida 
>>>> Statutes:
>>>>
>>>>  1. Electrical documents for any new building or addition which 
>>>> requires
>>>> an aggregate service capacity of 600 amperes (240 volts) or more on a
>>>> residential electrical system or 800 amperes (240 volts) or more on a
>>>> commercial or industrial electrical system and which costs more than
>>>> $50,000.
>>>>  2. Plumbing documents for any new building or addition which requires 
>>>> a
>>>> plumbing system with more than 250 fixture units or which costs more 
>>>> than
>>
>>>> $50,000.
>>>>  3. Fire sprinkler documents for any new building or addition which
>>>> includes a fire sprinkler system which contains 50 or more sprinkler
>>>> heads. A Contractor I, Contractor II, or Contractor IV, certified under
>>>> Section 633.521 Florida Statutes, may design a fire sprinkler system of
>>>> 49 or fewer heads and may design the alteration of an existing fire
>>>> sprinkler system if the alteration consists of the relocation, addition
>>>> or deletion of not more than 49 heads, notwithstanding the size of the
>>>> existing fire sprinkler system.
>>>>  4. Heating, ventilation, and air-conditioning documents for any new
>>>> building or addition which requires more than a 15-ton-per-system
>>>> capacity which is designed to accommodate 100 or more persons or for
>>>> which the system costs more than $50,000. This paragraph does not 
>>>> include
>>
>>>> any document for the replacement or repair of an existing system in 
>>>> which
>>
>>>> the work does not require altering a structural part of the building or
>>>> for work on a residential one, two, three or four-family structure.
>>>>  An air-conditioning system may be designed by an installing
>>>> air-conditioning contractor certified under Chapter 489, Florida
>>>> Statutes, to serve any building or addition which is designed to
>>>> accommodate fewer than 100 persons and requires an air-conditioning
>>>> system with a value of $50,000 or less; and when a 15-ton-per system or
>>>> less is designed for a singular space of a building and each 15-ton
>>>> system or less has an independent duct system. Systems not complying 
>>>> with
>>
>>>> the above require design documents that are to be sealed by a
>>>> professional engineer.
>>>>  Example 1: When a space has two 10-ton systems with each having an
>>>> independent duct system, the contractor may design these two systems
>>>> since each unit (system) is less than 15 tons.
>>>>  Example 2: Consider a small single-story office building which 
>>>> consists
>>>> of six individual offices where each office has a single three-ton
>>>> package air conditioning heat pump. The six heat pumps are connected to 
>>>> a
>>
>>>> single water cooling tower. The cost of the entire heating, ventilation
>>>> and air-conditioning work is $47,000 and the office building 
>>>> accommodates
>>
>>>> fewer than 100 persons. Because the six mechanical units are connected 
>>>> to
>>
>>>> a common water tower this is considered to be an 18-ton system. It
>>>> therefore could not be designed by a mechanical or air conditioning
>>>> contractor.
>>>>  NOTE: It was further clarified by the Commission that the limiting
>>>> criteria of 100 persons and $50,000 apply to the building occupancy 
>>>> load
>>>> and the cost for the total air-conditioning system of the building.
>>>>  5. Any specialized mechanical, electrical, or plumbing document for 
>>>> any
>>>> new building or addition which includes a medical gas, oxygen, steam,
>>>> vacuum, toxic air filtration, halon, or fire detection and alarm 
>>>> system
>>>> which costs more than $5,000.
>>>>  Documents requiring an engineer seal by this part shall not be valid
>>>> unless a professional engineer who possesses a valid certificate of
>>>> registration has signed, dated, and stamped such document as provided 
>>>> in
>>>> Section 471.025, Florida Statutes.
>>>>
>>>>  I should add that it would not be unreasonable for the AHJ to require 
>>>> a
>>>> title block and signature of the subcontractor on his or her drawing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  From: "Chandler Knowles" <chandlerknowles at att.net>
>>>>  To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:05 PM
>>>>  Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Dade County
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > Hi,  Does anyone here have any experience with obtaining a building
>>>> permit
>>>>  > in Dade County, Florida?  I have been told some horror stories by
>>>>  > subcontractors down there.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > The job is only to construct two handicap accessible restrooms in an
>>>> older
>>>>  > retail store where three small restrooms recently existed.  The 
>>>> owners
>>
>>>> prematurely
>>>>  > demolished the three restrooms and now are going next door to use a
>>>>  > restroom.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > I was handed some simple hand-drawn plans that had been bounced with 
>>>> a
>>>>  > comment list.  I redrew the plans both in CAD and complying with FBC
>>>> handicap
>>>>  > locations, dimensions, etc. and now it has bounced with another list
>>>> of
>>>>  > "comments".  Some seem unreasonable based on 30 years experience in
>>>> this area.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Locally, on a job this small the MEP subs can do hand sketches of
>>>> risers or
>>>>  > diagrams with the plans only locating the fixtures.  I'm being told
>>>> now that
>>>>  > we must hire a mechanical and electrical engineer.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Chandler Knowles
>>>>  > Pensacola, FL
>>>>  >
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