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I'm unclear as to the installation of the ladder. Is it a fixed ladder through the scuttle hole creating a penetration of the ceiling assembly? R309.2 requires ceiling protection of 1/2 " gdw on the ceiling and if its a floor/ceiling assembly,( with habitable space above) it must be 5/8 type "X'. If the ladder and scuttle create a penetration through the ceiling envelope, it must be protected in some manner.
Most pull-down attic ladders are not fire-rated but a layer of sheet-metal or drywall applied to the bottom side is usually accepted.

Dale Lee,CBO
Bay Harbor Islands 

-----Original Message-----
>From: WR290 at aol.com
>Sent: May 23, 2009 3:26 PM
>To: gyantorn at scgov.net, pathoag at cfl.rr.com, jcoughlin at englehomes.com, FineR at gtlaw.com, noleball at hotmail.com, codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Questionable call by Building official
>
> 
>I think he said he discussed it with the BO because he might want to be one 
> in the future, 
> 
>Tom
> 
> 
>a message dated 5/23/2009 3:23:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>gyantorn at scgov.net writes:
>
>This  issue is getting out of hand. Discuss with the BO and inspector. You 
>may be  suprised. 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:  codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com  
><codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com>
>To: WR290 at aol.com  <WR290 at aol.com>; jcoughlin at englehomes.com  
><jcoughlin at englehomes.com>; FineR at gtlaw.com <FineR at gtlaw.com>;  noleball at hotmail.com 
><noleball at hotmail.com>; codetalk at myfloridacode.com  <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>Sent: Sat May 23 15:15:06  2009
>Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Questionable call by Building  official
>
>Your backing down does nothing but to propagate the problem  state wide.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
>[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com]  On Behalf Of WR290 at aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:32 PM
>To:  jcoughlin at englehomes.com; FineR at gtlaw.com;  noleball at hotmail.com;
>codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>Subject: Re: [Florida  Code Talk] Questionable call by Building official
>
>
>I absolutely  understand.  
>
>This is purely a business decision.  If he want  to take this official  on. 
>He will not get a CO, His bank will keep  charging for extensions of his  
>loan. Assuming he has a loan. And  probably 2 years down the road he might
>get 
>this issue done. What I see  is FR paint and a GFCI > The total cost is  
>less
>
>than 100.00.  
>
>I have been down this road and it is not pretty. Not to mention that  this  
>person is a contractor. I assume he will want to continue to  work with this
>
>building department. 
>
>
>Tom
>
>
>In a  message dated 5/23/2009 2:21:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
>jcoughlin at englehomes.com writes:
>
>The  problem with rolling  over when you are right and the inspector won't 
>listen is  sort of  like a dog humping your leg. If you let the dog hump 
>you,
>
>he  always  will and you will be his biatch.
>
>Go to the BO first, then  get BIA  involved. This will work 95% of the time.
>
>Rolling over is  NOT an  Option.
>
>________________________________
>
>From:  WR290 at aol.com  
>To: Jay Coughlin; FineR at gtlaw.com ;  noleball at hotmail.com ;  
>codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
>Sent: Sat May  23 14:16:18 2009
>Subject: Re:  [Florida Code Talk] Questionable call  by Building official  
>
>
>Charles:
>
>I was not going to  chime in on this.This is a  common happening. You can 
>do 
>one of two  things. Take a recorder with you and  tell him you are 
>recording 
>his  comments, send his comments along with a  complaint to DBPR. Or you 
>can  
>just make the repairs and go one with life. I  would absolutly  recommend 
>the second option. 
>
>Tom Ricci CBO
>BT  Builders  Inc
>
>In a message dated 5/21/2009 8:44:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight   Time, 
>jcoughlin at englehomes.com writes:
>
>This is typical of   some rouge inspectors. Call the CBO and it goes away
>if not  in book,  can be resolved in one day normally.
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>From:   codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
>[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com]  On Behalf Of  FineR at gtlaw.com
>Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:55   PM
>To: noleball at hotmail.com;  codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>Subject:  Re: [Florida Code Talk]  Questionable call by Building  official
>
>(This is not intended to be legal advice) 
>
>If it were  me, and my county had a board of rules and appeals, I  would
>file an  appeal.  In my experience, the filing of  an appeal is enough  to
>lead to a discussion that frequently  resolves the matter without  the
>hearing being  necessary.  And if it doesn't get resolved,  you have a set
>date by which the matter will be resolved.    If  your county  does not
>have such a board, you can use the binding   interpretation process in Fla
>Stat 553.775 which is very  fast.  
>
>Good luck
>
>Robert
>
>Robert S. Fine,  Esq.,  AIA
>
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>To:   codetalk at myfloridacode.com <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
>Sent: Wed May  20 19:35:05 2009
>Subject: [Florida Code Talk]  Questionable call by  Building official
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>
>I am trying to obtain a C.O. for a   residence we have completed and the
>building official has  taken some  liberties with his judgement.  I
>usually try  to do what is asked  of me by the building officials as I
>will  likely be one one day but  this one is taking it a bit far.
>
>
>
>We have installed an   attic ladder (aluminum ladder) in the garage and
>the  inspector  refuses to issue a C.O. until the attic ladder and hatch
>is painted with  fire resistant paint.  Further, he insists that  we
>install GFCI  receptacles in the dining room (not kitchen)  which is not
>required by  the N.E.C. or the Florida Building  Code.  I took the book to
>him  and asked for him to show  it to me and he said that it is not in  the
>Code but it is in  "his code" and it is what he wants to  see.  He insists
>that the house will not pass until the hatch is  painted with fire
>retardant paint and the recepatcles in the dining room  (not kitchen)  are
>changed.
>
>
>
>To make matters worse, he  is the electrical inpector  for the
>jurisdiction and is not licensed  to do any other  inspections.  Does
>anyone have any suggestions  on this  one?  Soem of you are building
>officials on here and  may  be able to help me out.
>
>
>
>Charles  Walker
>
>CW  Building Contractor, inc
>
>CBC 1250992    CCC 1325996 CFC 1427782   
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