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It is easier to close an inswing door on someone trying to gain entry.
 
It is also easier for a fireman to kick in an inswinging door, than an outswing door.
 


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Residental Entry Doors (Mike Keesee)
   2. Re: Residental Entry Doors (Mark Tyson)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:43:19 -0400
From: "Mike Keesee" <mkeesee at mkda.cc>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors
To: "Bill LeMaster" <blemaster at co.okaloosa.fl.us>,    "Randy Shackelford"
    <rshackelford at strongtie.com>,    "Swisher, David"
    <David.Swisher at probuild.com>, <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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but.....the code was written for nationwide distribution, and when the
snow piles up against the door, then it's a safety issue in case of
fire.  So I believe it was left open to work for both climates.   You
can use the Webster for the definition of snow.  ;-)





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From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Bill LeMaster
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:23 PM
To: 'Randy Shackelford'; Swisher, David; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors



Outswing doors are also harder for robbers to kick in.



William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP

Okaloosa County

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:29 AM
To: Swisher, David; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors



Section R311.4 of the Residential Code deals with egress doors.

It doesn't look like it requires the swing to be of any particular
direction.  I also did not see any changes to this section in either of
the Supplements.



On the other hand, building safety groups have lately been encouraging
the use of doors that swing out because they are less likely to be blown
open in a windstorm.  That may be the source of the subject.



Randy Shackelford

Simpson Strong-Tie

800-999-5099



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From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Swisher, David
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:24 AM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors



Has there been a recent change in the code requiring residential entry
doors to all be outswing?



Regards,

David "Swish"Swisher

National Accounts Installed Sales

ProBuild East

1615 N. Michigan Ave

Kissimmee, Fl 34744

p: 407-933-8665

f: 407-933-4336

m:727-580-5369

david.swisher at probuild.com





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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:44:01 -0400
From: "Mark Tyson" <mtyson at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors
To: "'Linda Pease Cramer'" <designdiva at hughes.net>,    "'Randy
    Shackelford'" <rshackelford at strongtie.com>,    "'Swisher, David'"
    <David.Swisher at probuild.com>,    <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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If memory serves me correctly the proliferation of outs wing doors came
about during the process of writing SBCCI 1997. As I recall the fire
marshals were pushing for the out swing requirement at all exterior egress
doors and we also had the advent of N.O.A. This represented the perfect
storm for building designers with projects in the plan development stage. it
was easier too error on the safe side rather than gamble as to what the
final code requirement would be. Ultimately the fire marshals lost (only
required in occupancies serving 50 or more people or high hazard
occupancies)   



Regards,

Mark Tyson



Tyson Home Inspections

M Tyson Construction LLC.

of  772.489.9648  mb  561.756.3075  fx  772.465.9731

Certified General Contractor #1516843



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From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Linda Pease Cramer
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:44 PM
To: Randy Shackelford; Swisher, David; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors



I agree totally that all ext drs SHOULD swing out..... I have been
'suggesting' this to my clients for YEARS...Plus it gives you the advantage
to be able to close the door when you have unwanted persons there.....

Hope all is going well for those of you in the " BIZ"...

Diva 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Randy <mailto:rshackelford at strongtie.com>  Shackelford 

To: Swisher, <mailto:David.Swisher at probuild.com>  David ;
codetalk at myfloridacode.com 

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors



Section R311.4 of the Residential Code deals with egress doors.

It doesn't look like it requires the swing to be of any particular
direction.  I also did not see any changes to this section in either of the
Supplements.



On the other hand, building safety groups have lately been encouraging the
use of doors that swing out because they are less likely to be blown open in
a windstorm.  That may be the source of the subject.



Randy Shackelford

Simpson Strong-Tie

800-999-5099




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From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacodecom] On Behalf Of Swisher, David
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:24 AM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Residental Entry Doors



Has there been a recent change in the code requiring residential entry doors
to all be outswing?



Regards,

David "Swish"Swisher

National Accounts Installed Sales

ProBuild East

1615 N. Michigan Ave

Kissimmee, Fl 34744

p: 407-933-8665

f: 407-933-4336

m:727-580-5369

david.swisher at probuild.com






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