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In FBC Plumbing, there is an exception to the Hot water Requirement, have the inspector look at that, they should know about it anyway.

It appears the law requiring hot water for hot water for employees washing their hands is not in the code book.

Bret Walley 
CBC052520
CAC1816055
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:40:56 -0400
From: "Sam Nasser" <bnasser at cfl.rr.com>
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As per the statement of Larry M. Schneider AIA, "ONLY ONLY for the employees 
to wash their hands - otherwise hot water is not required.  If the toilet 
room is not used by the employees to wash up; then you do not need hot 
water"

Does this mean regular office buildings do NOT need hot water in the 
bathrooms?

If so, then what should we tell the inspector when he asks for hot water in 
regular office suite?

Regards,
Sam
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> From: "Stephen Corn" <sh_corn at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms
> To: "Larry M Schneider" <larry at lmsarch.net>, "'H. Lane Hamrick'"
> <HLHamrick at ocalafl.org>, "'Linda Pease Cramer'"
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> The point is hot water is required in the bathroom the employees use. 
> Separate hot water out of the bathroom area is not ok. If there is a 
> bathroom for employees with hot water then the publics accessible bath 
> does not require hot water. I agree with Larry this is a FDHR requirement. 
> I don't know the code # but I know what I have had to do in restaurants I 
> have built.
> Stephen H. Corn
> President
> (954) 484-2400
> (954) 335-1222 - Fax
> SH_CORN at BELLSOUTH.NET
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Larry M Schneider
>  To: 'H. Lane Hamrick' ; 'Linda Pease Cramer' ; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:50 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms
>
>
>  ONLY ONLY for the employees to wash their hands - otherwise hot water is 
> not required.  If the toilet room is not used by the employees to wash up; 
> then you do not need hot water.
>
>
>
>  WE HAVE MOVED AND OUR NEW ADDRESS IS THE FOLLOWING -
>
>  Larry M. Schneider AIA
>
>  4905 Midtown Lane
>
>  Suite 2313
>
>  Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33418
>
>  Office: 561.799.6942
>
>  Fax: 561.799.6943
>
>  Fax to Computer: 786.513.8322
>
>  EMail: Larry at LMSArch.net
>
>  Web Page: www.LMSArch.net
>
>
>
>  Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from lousy 
> judgment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  From: H. Lane Hamrick [mailto:HLHamrick at Ocalafl.org]
>  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:52 PM
>  To: 'Larry M Schneider'; 'Linda Pease Cramer'; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>  Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms
>
>
>
>  In response to the answer to hot (tempered) water being required in 
> restrooms, can you please substantiate the "yes" answer with a code 
> reference? We have not been able to find this. Unless it is required by 
> the Florida Dept. of Hotels and Restaurants.
>
>  FBC Plumbing 2007
>
>  SECTION 607 HOT WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM
>
>
>
>
>
>  607.1 Where required. In occupied structures, hot water shall be supplied 
> to all plumbing fixtures and equipment utilized for bathing, washing, 
> culinary purposes, cleansing, laundry or building maintenance.
>
>  Exception: In nonresidential occupancies, hot water or tempered water 
> shall be supplied for bathing and washing purposes. The delivery of cold 
> water only shall be permitted to be delivered from all hand-washing 
> facilities except where hot water is required by law.
>
>  So where is the hot water required by law
>
>
>
>  H. Lane Hamrick
>
>  City of Ocala
>
>  Building Systems Inspector IV
>
>  hlhamrick at ocalafl.org
>
>  Office 352-629-8421 x 8653
>
>  Fax 352-629-6432
>
>  From: Larry M Schneider [mailto:larry at lmsarch.net]
>  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:24 AM
>  To: 'Linda Pease Cramer'; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms
>
>
>
>  If these are the lavatories that are used by the employees to wash their 
> hands, then yes.
>
>
>
>  WE HAVE MOVED AND OUR NEW ADDRESS IS THE FOLLOWING -
>
>  Larry M. Schneider AIA
>
>  4905 Midtown Lane
>
>  Suite 2313
>
>  Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33418
>
>  Office: 561.799.6942
>
>  Fax: 561.799.6943
>
>  Fax to Computer: 786.513.8322
>
>  EMail: Larry at LMSArch.net
>
>  Web Page: www.LMSArch.net
>
>
>
>  Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from lousy 
> judgment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com 
> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Linda Pease 
> Cramer
>  Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:11 PM
>  To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
>  Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms
>
>
>
>  Good day all.........just a quickie for the day.... If a business ( 
> food ) is leasing space and the COMMON AREA restrooms are to be used by 
> all in the same building.....is there anything in the code that states 
> that the restrooms MUST have hot water.... The food business portion has 3 
> handsinks that do supply hot water for the employees of said food 
> business.
>
>
>
>  Thanks Bunches
>
>  Diva
>
>
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Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] CodeTalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22
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Hot water is not required in office buildings.

WE HAVE MOVED AND OUR NEW ADDRESS IS THE FOLLOWING - 

Larry M. Schneider AIA

4905 Midtown Lane

Suite 2313

Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33418

Office: 561.799.6942

Fax: 561.799.6943

Fax to Computer: 786.513.8322

EMail:  <mailto:Larry at LMSArch.net> Larry at LMSArch.net

Web Page:  <http://www.LMSArch.net> www.LMSArch.net

Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from lousy judgment.

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[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Sam Nasser
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:41 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] CodeTalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22

As per the statement of Larry M. Schneider AIA, "ONLY ONLY for the employees

to wash their hands - otherwise hot water is not required.  If the toilet 

room is not used by the employees to wash up; then you do not need hot 

water"

Does this mean regular office buildings do NOT need hot water in the 

bathrooms?

If so, then what should we tell the inspector when he asks for hot water in 

regular office suite?

Regards,

Sam

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>   1. Re: Hot water in public bathrooms (Stephen Corn)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:39:26 -0400

> From: "Stephen Corn" <sh_corn at bellsouth.net>

> Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms

> To: "Larry M Schneider" <larry at lmsarch.net>, "'H. Lane Hamrick'"

> <HLHamrick at ocalafl.org>, "'Linda Pease Cramer'"

> <designdiva at hughes.net>, <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>

> Message-ID: <00c901ca5104$a2e42460$120aa8c0 at corn.local>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> 

> The point is hot water is required in the bathroom the employees use. 

> Separate hot water out of the bathroom area is not ok. If there is a 

> bathroom for employees with hot water then the publics accessible bath 

> does not require hot water. I agree with Larry this is a FDHR requirement.

> I don't know the code # but I know what I have had to do in restaurants I 

> have built.

> Stephen H. Corn

> President

> (954) 484-2400

> (954) 335-1222 - Fax

> SH_CORN at BELLSOUTH.NET

>  ----- Original Message ----- 

>  From: Larry M Schneider

>  To: 'H. Lane Hamrick' ; 'Linda Pease Cramer' ; codetalk at myfloridacode.com

>  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:50 PM

>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms

> 

> 

>  ONLY ONLY for the employees to wash their hands - otherwise hot water is 

> not required.  If the toilet room is not used by the employees to wash up;

> then you do not need hot water.

> 

> 

> 

>  WE HAVE MOVED AND OUR NEW ADDRESS IS THE FOLLOWING -

> 

>  Larry M. Schneider AIA

> 

>  4905 Midtown Lane

> 

>  Suite 2313

> 

>  Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33418

> 

>  Office: 561.799.6942

> 

>  Fax: 561.799.6943

> 

>  Fax to Computer: 786.513.8322

> 

>  EMail: Larry at LMSArch.net

> 

>  Web Page: www.LMSArch.net

> 

> 

> 

>  Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from lousy 

> judgment.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>  From: H. Lane Hamrick [mailto:HLHamrick at Ocalafl.org]

>  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:52 PM

>  To: 'Larry M Schneider'; 'Linda Pease Cramer'; codetalk at myfloridacode.com

>  Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms

> 

> 

> 

>  In response to the answer to hot (tempered) water being required in 

> restrooms, can you please substantiate the "yes" answer with a code 

> reference? We have not been able to find this. Unless it is required by 

> the Florida Dept. of Hotels and Restaurants.

> 

>  FBC Plumbing 2007

> 

>  SECTION 607 HOT WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>  607.1 Where required. In occupied structures, hot water shall be supplied

> to all plumbing fixtures and equipment utilized for bathing, washing, 

> culinary purposes, cleansing, laundry or building maintenance.

> 

>  Exception: In nonresidential occupancies, hot water or tempered water 

> shall be supplied for bathing and washing purposes. The delivery of cold 

> water only shall be permitted to be delivered from all hand-washing 

> facilities except where hot water is required by law.

> 

>  So where is the hot water required by law

> 

> 

> 

>  H. Lane Hamrick

> 

>  City of Ocala

> 

>  Building Systems Inspector IV

> 

>  hlhamrick at ocalafl.org

> 

>  Office 352-629-8421 x 8653

> 

>  Fax 352-629-6432

> 

>  From: Larry M Schneider [mailto:larry at lmsarch.net]

>  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:24 AM

>  To: 'Linda Pease Cramer'; codetalk at myfloridacode.com

>  Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms

> 

> 

> 

>  If these are the lavatories that are used by the employees to wash their 

> hands, then yes.

> 

> 

> 

>  WE HAVE MOVED AND OUR NEW ADDRESS IS THE FOLLOWING -

> 

>  Larry M. Schneider AIA

> 

>  4905 Midtown Lane

> 

>  Suite 2313

> 

>  Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33418

> 

>  Office: 561.799.6942

> 

>  Fax: 561.799.6943

> 

>  Fax to Computer: 786.513.8322

> 

>  EMail: Larry at LMSArch.net

> 

>  Web Page: www.LMSArch.net

> 

> 

> 

>  Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from lousy 

> judgment.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>  From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com 

> [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Linda Pease 

> Cramer

>  Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:11 PM

>  To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com

>  Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Hot water in public bathrooms

> 

> 

> 

>  Good day all.........just a quickie for the day.... If a business ( 

> food ) is leasing space and the COMMON AREA restrooms are to be used by 

> all in the same building.....is there anything in the code that states 

> that the restrooms MUST have hot water.... The food business portion has 3

> handsinks that do supply hot water for the employees of said food 

> business.

> 

> 

> 

>  Thanks Bunches

> 

>  Diva

> 

> 

> 

>
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