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Ken;

no you are not too critical, I wish the inspection agencies would do more  
to police the sub-contractors, including fining the hell out of the GCs for  
using unlicensed subs, but it seems that instead of pro-active they are 
only  reactive,responding only when complaints are filed.

Chris Kavala
Marquis Const. & Dev. Inc. _www.southernsips.com_ 
(http://www.southernsips.com/) 
3714  Covington Drive
Holiday, Florida 34691
Toll Free  ............................. 1-877-321-SIPS
main: (727) 937-3090
fax (727)  937-1849
cell (727) 243-2717

FL. LIC. # CBC036455 
(residential / commercial)
LA. LIC. # 33845 (commercial  GC)
GA. LIC. # RLCO000624 (residential / light commercial GC)  

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Today's Topics:

1. Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing (Ken Rodgers)
2. Fw:   Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
(Rob Harvey / L &  H Contracting, Inc.)
3. Re: Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing  (Everett)
4. Re: Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing  (WR290 at aol.com)
5. Re: Fw:  Sub-Contractor  Testing/Licensing (Ken  Rodgers)

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Message:  1
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 -0600
From: "Ken Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor  Testing/Licensing
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Happy New Year All,

I was just  discussing some issues/concerns with my drywall sub and in the
process I  asked if they had ever read or heard of the guide put out by the
Gypsum  Association that covers the application and finishing of  sheetrock
(gypsum).  Of course the answer and look I got was the same  one I always 
get
when I ask this question.  ?What book??   ?There?s a book that tells you how
to do sheetrock work??  So, I?m  wondering why is it that subs like this are
not required to read,  understand, and possibly even be tested on the
guidelines that cover their  trade before they are ?licensed? to perform 
work
in this area?  In the  case of drywall, this specifications manual is only 
18
pages long so I  would think that most anyone should be able to pass a 
simple
test on  it.  Yes, I realize this is only a guide and is really not a  
?code?
per se but it does have some pretty good guide lines to go by that  should
help ensure a good job that will stand the test of time.   However, every
time I bring it up to my drywall subs that they get offended  and act like
I?m being too anal.  I only pull it out when I see them  doing things like
not using enough screws in the ceiling or leaving  excessive (e.g. ??) gaps
at joints.  The response is always the same;  ?I?ve been doing drywall for 
xx
years and I don?t need no book to tell me  how to do things? or ?don?t worry
about it, the mud will cover it  up.?  All these may be true but it?d be 
nice
to see some subs actually  take pride in their work and try to do the best
job they can and not just  get by.  I use sheetrock guys in this example but
it seems to be the  same with many of the other subs whose work doesn?t get
an official  inspection and who are not required to be tested and
specifically licensed  in their field of work.  I?m not looking to increase
the bureaucracy  but it sure would be nice to figure out a way to force 
these
other subs to  become educated in their field and stay up with the latest
practices.   I?m looking for more professionals instead of just  amateur
hacks.

I know the above was mostly whining/venting  but just thought I find out
others thoughts on the  subject.

Ken   

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan  2010 21:04:53 +0000
From: "Rob Harvey / L & H Contracting,  Inc."
<lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject:  [Florida Code Talk] Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
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Robert Harvey
L & H  Contracting, Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:  1-866-254-3245

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Harvey / L  & H Contracting, Inc." 
<lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 2010 20:59:01 
To: Ken Rodgers<Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject:  Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Stop hiring  unlicensed subs and you will not have this problem. I do not 
know what area  you are from but all the Tampa Bay area surrounding counties 
require you to be  a  state or county licensed drywall contractor. It is 
those that continue  to hire unlicensed subs that drive my prices down to 
compete with their  substandard workmanship. 

Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting,  Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:  1-866-254-3245

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 
To:  <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk]  Sub-Contractor  Testing/Licensing

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Message:  3
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:22:18 -0500
From: "Everett"  <6075 at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk]  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To: "Ken Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>, <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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It's cut, lift, screw, tape, mud.  Not much  else to it.  Yes, probably all 
of us who hold GC licenses have a copy of  GA 216-2007...... but haven't 
you learned yet that most licensing is simply  about funding the Department?  
You want pros, you watch them work, and  pick the best.  Honestly, a license 
guarantees very  little.

From: Ken Rodgers 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:33  PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
Subject: [Florida Code Talk]  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Happy New Year All,

I was just discussing some issues/concerns with my drywall sub and in the  
process I asked if they had ever read or heard of the guide put out by the  
Gypsum Association that covers the application and finishing of sheetrock  
(gypsum).  Of course the answer and look I got was the same one I always  get 
when I ask this question.  "What book?"  "There's a book that  tells you 
how to do sheetrock work?"  So, I'm wondering why is it that  subs like this 
are not required to read, understand, and possibly even be  tested on the 
guidelines that cover their trade before they are "licensed" to  perform work 
in this area?  In the case of drywall, this specifications  manual is only 18 
pages long so I would think that most anyone should be able  to pass a 
simple test on it.  Yes, I realize this is only a guide and is  really not a 
"code" per se but it does have some pretty good guide lines to go  by that 
should help ensure a good job that will stand the test of time.   However, every 
time I bring!
it up to my drywall subs that they get  offended and act like I'm being too 
anal.  I only pull it out when I see  them doing things like not using 
enough screws in the ceiling or leaving  excessive (e.g. ?") gaps at joints.  
The response is always the same;  "I've been doing drywall for xx years and I 
don't need no book to tell me how  to do things" or "don't worry about it, 
the mud will cover it up."  All  these may be true but it'd be nice to see 
some subs actually take pride in  their work and try to do the best job they 
can and not just get by.  I  use sheetrock guys in this example but it seems 
to be the same with many of  the other subs whose work doesn't get an 
official inspection and who are not  required to be tested and specifically 
licensed in their field of work.   I'm not looking to increase the bureaucracy but 
it sure would be nice to  figure out a way to force these other subs to 
become educated in their field  and stay up with the latest practices.  I'm 
looking for more!
professionals instead of just amateur hacks.

I know the above  was mostly whining/venting but just thought I find out 
others thoughts on the  subject.

Ken    

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 1 Jan  2010 16:22:24 EST
From: WR290 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk]  Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To:  lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com, codetalk at myfloridacode.com
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Hi Robert:

Many area's in the state have  no licensing requirements. I.E. Orlando for  
instance,  all you  have to have is a occupational license, that cost  
$30.00, least that  how much it was 2 years ago. 

Tom Ricci
BT Builders  Inc
954-214-4448 

In a message dated 1/1/2010 4:15:50 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time,  
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com  writes:

Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting,   Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:   1-866-254-3245

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Harvey /  L  & H Contracting, Inc."  
<lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 2010  20:59:01 
To: Ken Rodgers<Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject:  Re:  [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Stop hiring   unlicensed subs and you will not have this problem. I do not 
know what  area  you are from but all the Tampa Bay area surrounding 
counties  
require you to be  a  state or county licensed drywall  contractor. It is 
those that continue  to hire unlicensed subs that  drive my prices down to 
compete with their  substandard workmanship.  

Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting,   Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:   1-866-254-3245

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken  Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50  
To:  <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Subject: [Florida Code  Talk]  Sub-Contractor   Testing/Licensing

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Jan  2010 15:41:21 -0600
From: "Ken Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Fw:   Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To: <lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>,  <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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Robert,
Am I  missing something here??  All my subs that I hire ARE  licensed.
However, for things like sheetrock, tile, etc they are not  required to take
any type of test or prove any knowledge whatsoever.   The license consist of
a business license obtained at the local tax  collector's office and stating
on the paperwork that they are in the  business of "drywall."  I just looked
back in the CILB statutes and I  don't see anything that requires a drywall
sub to be licensed via testing  and a board.  

My point is that anyone can go down and get a  business license and declare
themselves a XXXXX contractor.  There's  nothing that requires them to have
even a basic knowledge of the task at  hand.  

I'm sorry if others are hiring unlicensed subs and driving  your prices 
down.
However, I'm not one of them.  I only hire licensed  subs...no exceptions.

Ken

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From:  codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com]  On Behalf Of Rob Harvey / L & H
Contracting, Inc.
Sent: Friday,  January 01, 2010 3:05 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject:  [Florida Code Talk] Fw: Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Robert  Harvey
L & H Contracting,  Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:  1-866-254-3245

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Harvey / L  & H Contracting, Inc." 
<lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 2010 20:59:01 
To: Ken Rodgers<Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject:  Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Stop hiring  unlicensed subs and you will not have this problem. I do not
know what area  you are from but all the Tampa Bay area surrounding counties
require you to  be a  state or county licensed drywall contractor. It is
those that  continue to hire unlicensed subs that drive my prices down to
compete with  their substandard workmanship. 

Robert Harvey
L & H  Contracting, Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:  1-866-254-3245

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 
To:  <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk]  Sub-Contractor  Testing/Licensing

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