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Chandler,

  I really like those signs
do you mind if I use them?  

 

I am in the process of putting together my company standards for each sub’s
area but it’s just been hard to find the time to get them completed.  I
completely agree with everyone that this is really the best way to get the
quality I need/want.

 

From: Chandler Knowles [mailto:chandlerknowles at att.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:34 PM
To: CodeTalk; Ken Rodgers
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

 

You can control your job and your subcontractors through properly drawn
plans and specs.  Building codes are normally for matters of life safety,
not quality.  Your plans should state the standards you want subs to perform
to whether industry association recommendations, ASTMs or UL assembly
numbers.  The contract you give a sub to sign should reinforce the
particular standards of the trade over and above "according to plans and
specifications".  For example, get a copy of USGs Gypsum Handbook.  It makes
a good standard to reference satisfactory performance to.

 

I keep two signs in my office where all subs can and do see them.  The first
reads

 

"Some people make the same mistake for years and call it experience."  The
second reads

 

"Notice to subcontractors:  payment will be rendered with the same degree of
accuracy and timeliness with which the product or service was provided'"

 

Chandler Knowles

Designer-Builder

Pensacola, FL

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ken Rodgers <mailto:Ken at artisanbilt.com>  

To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 

Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:33 PM

Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

 

Happy New Year All,

  I was just discussing some issues/concerns with my drywall sub and in the
process I asked if they had ever read or heard of the guide put out by the
Gypsum Association that covers the application and finishing of sheetrock
(gypsum).  Of course the answer and look I got was the same one I always get
when I ask this question.  “What book?”  “There’s a book that tells you how
to do sheetrock work?”  So, I’m wondering why is it that subs like this are
not required to read, understand, and possibly even be tested on the
guidelines that cover their trade before they are “licensed” to perform work
in this area?  In the case of drywall, this specifications manual is only 18
pages long so I would think that most anyone should be able to pass a simple
test on it.  Yes, I realize this is only a guide and is really not a “code”
per se but it does have some pretty good guide lines to go by that should
help ensure a good job that will stand the test of time.  However, every
time I bring it up to my drywall subs that they get offended and act like
I’m being too anal.  I only pull it out when I see them doing things like
not using enough screws in the ceiling or leaving excessive (e.g. ½”) gaps
at joints.  The response is always the same; “I’ve been doing drywall for xx
years and I don’t need no book to tell me how to do things” or “don’t worry
about it, the mud will cover it up.”  All these may be true but it’d be nice
to see some subs actually take pride in their work and try to do the best
job they can and not just get by.  I use sheetrock guys in this example but
it seems to be the same with many of the other subs whose work doesn’t get
an official inspection and who are not required to be tested and
specifically licensed in their field of work.  I’m not looking to increase
the bureaucracy but it sure would be nice to figure out a way to force these
other subs to become educated in their field and stay up with the latest
practices.  I’m looking for more professionals instead of just amateur
hacks.

 

I know the above was mostly whining/venting but just thought I find out
others thoughts on the subject.

 

Ken   

 


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