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Mon Mar 29 08:29:57 EDT 2010

From: Tony Apfelbeck [mailto:ACApfelbeck at Altamonte.org] 
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:36 PM
To: pathoag at cfl.rr.com; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] ISO

Yes, the legislature did create the Commission. However, the intent of
establishing the Commission was that technical code decisions would be left
to the technical experts appointed to that body. This would remove the
politics from code decisions. I would agree that is the theory of all
commissions, serving the various agencies of the State.

During the adoption of HB4181, and it's implementation by the Commission,
there was extensive discussions by all the interested parties in the need to
adopt a model code and not write our own unless there was a true Florida
specific need. Sounds reasonable and appropriate, as it appears to be the
intent behind the creation of commissions, "doing the leg work to provide
recommendations to the legislature for appropriate action." The Commission
was provided the authority by the legislature to address code changes that
addressed the Florida specific need.  Every time the legislature intervenes
in the technical aspects of the codes, they undermine the authority that was
granted to the Commission and the extensive vetting of technical decisions
that occur on a national level during the model code adoption process. Well
as you are well aware and contrary to some more "liberal" thinkers, we [the
economy] are experiencing probably the closest we can to a depression
without really being there. This in mind, I would have the opinion that the
legislature in it's never ending infinite wisdom, are looking at ways to
generate more revenue and sees the IRC implications as another deterrent or
regulation that will ultimately depress or hinder the current lifeless
status of development and construction in this State. And as you should well
know, construction and tourism are the mainstays of State revenue.

Lastly, when you criticize, Being of an opposing opinion can hardly be
perceived as "critical." As a government official, I hope this is not a text
book position you take with anyone of another perspective. I would hope that
you would have the courtesy of identifying yourself with a signature like
most others do. This takes to much space on the internet and is more ego
based than of any substance. I like just discussing the issue.  There also
no need to develop an attitude (?) on the group I responded to your posting.
How is that become the "group?" with your "Let's hypothesize some more." If
you disagree, make a professional argument (Professional is in the eyes of
the beholder. There are many professions and those holding professional
positions within those areas. Are you supporting of the opinion that the
position makes the individual? A title makes the person? that we can all
respect.  Respect, a powerful word and used loosely in many ways. Like
income, honesty, trust......all to be earned.

Now look what you have made me do, get off the subject matter. Why don't you
come on over to the other side of the earth and really make some
contributions. I'm sure you would appreciate your governmental, regulatory
position after dodging IDF for a few months.

Thing is, I can accept disagreement Mr. Apfelbeck, MPA, CFPS, CBO. It does
not disturb me that others have the right to their own opinion and then
attempt to turn it into a "professional, respect" issue. But thanks for your
opinion, it really is o.k.. 

Anthony C. Apfelbeck
MPA, CFPS, CBO
Fire Marshal/Building Official
City of Altamonte Springs
W: 407-571-8433
ACApfelbeck at Altamonte.org

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From: Pat Hoag
Sent: Fri 3/26/2010 7:42 PM
To: 'Tony Apfelbeck'
Cc: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] ISO

Lets get this right; "the legislature circumvents the authority of the
Florida Building Commission." Circumvent, how is that? The legislature
creates the statutes the FBC regulates. Let's hypothesize some more.

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Tony Apfelbeck
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:39 PM
To: Tony Apfelbeck
Cc: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] ISO

Also, one other quick note on this. If the legislature circumvents the
authority of the Florida Building Commission and removes the IRC fire
sprinkler requirement, ISO will drop all building departments one BCEGS
class. So, if your jurisdiction is a 4, it will drop to a 5 if everything
else remains the same. Something else to look forward to for us and higher
insurance rates for our citzens courtesy of the legislature.

Anthony Apfelbeck CFPS, CBO

Fire Marshal/Building Official

City of Altamonte Springs

On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:59 PM, "Tony Apfelbeck" <ACApfelbeck at altamonte.org>
wrote:

Regardless of whether you assist ISO or do not, your city is going to get a
grading anyway. It is just liable to be a Class 10 due to non-participation.

As far as the value, for each class difference, a 1% difference in the
property insurance applies to the property for the live of the structure.
All other factors being the same, a property that is graded a class 2 will
pay 5% less than a property that is graded a class 7. 

In addition, the BCEGS class is a factor in your jurisdiction's flood
grading if they participate in the flood insurance program. The same class 2
to a class 7 BCEGS difference can create a significant difference in flood
insurance rates. 

Lastly, the BCEGS is the only financial incentive that a local government
has to provide resources to the building department. If you throw away ISO,
you have lost a significant tool to assist you in justifying an efficient
and effective building department.  

Anthony  C. Apfelbeck, CFPS, CBO
Fire Marshal/Building Official
City of Altamonte Springs
225 Newburyport Avenue
Altamonte Springs, FL 32701 
 <http://www.altamonte.org/> www.Altamonte.org

ACApfelbeck at Altamonte.org
Office: 407-571-8433
Fax:     407-571-8445

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From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Bill Burgess
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:41 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] ISO

Who in the inspection service participates in the ISO: Building Code
Effectiveness Grading Schedule. Tell me why I should continue. Seems like a
hassle with no tangible results.

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