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Ok, I'm going to go out (way out) on a limb and somewhat agree with Eric.
Bob, I understand your qualifications based on years of experience but what
about a brand spankin' new contractor who really doesn't have any experience
or knowledge in this area.  I don't remember this subject being addressed on
any of my tests or test prep or in any of the many books I had to study.  I
for one would not feel comfortable presenting myself as a mold expert or
even as a home inspector even though I do have a pretty good working
knowledge of most every part of a home.  

 

I'll be honest with you.  I've come across numerous contractors who were
either grandfathered in or got their license back when they weren't ask
strict on the verifiable work experience.  I would testify in a court of law
that several of these guys wouldn't know which end of a hammer to use and
certainly do not know much if anything about the trades they are supposedly
contracting and supervising to construct a house.  I have been just totally
baffled as to how these guys got a license to begin with and how they
actually are able to build a structure.they pretty much rely completely on
their subs to do what they're supposed to do.and if they don't (which I've
seen happen) then they are none the wiser.

 

So, I'm sure I'm missing something here and would appreciate some further
explanation of this issue.  Are we really saying that just because one is a
licensed contractor that they should not have to demonstrate (through a
test) the knowledge needed to properly do the job.  If this info is covered
in the GC testing then I can fully understand not needing the separate
testing.

 

Am I completely missing the point here?

 

Ken

 

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuritzky
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:39 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services
Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

 

Interesting concept.  

Lacking specific training, education, testing and licensure in mold/mildew
growth, elimination and remediation, but being a licensed building
contractors, seems to imply an expertise in this particular field.  As if
being grandfathered in is a right of expectation.  I wonder how many of the
liability policies of all these contractors specifically exclude mold/mildew
claims. Hmmmm.

Where as the requirement for training, education and licensure as an
architect, in the development of single-family and duplex residential
construction, is not required, and simply by being a good designer or
draftsman seems to be acceptable.

Hmmmm. Oddly hypocritical if you ask me.  

A distinct belief that contractors should be allowed to make a living in a
field they are not necessarily trained or licensed for, but architects
should be denied that same opportunity for one in which they ARE trained AND
licensed for.  

Let me see, one more thing...a residential designer has little to lose,
except reputation and, according to many, a rather limited income per set of
plans, I suppose, while an architect has a license to lose and can be fined
by the State for doing substandard work.

And it's being suggested that I support a change to the proposed legislation
that will obviously enhance the protection of the public.

Yes, yes, quite interesting.




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From: Bob Koning <Bob at ContractorsInstitute.com>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:14:52 -0400
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Conversation: Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop - ACT
AGAIN NOW!
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule
Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Group, It is sink or swim time now! The state of Florida has begun the
rulemaking process for home inspectors and mold related services. The first
meeting is this Wednesday, May 5, 2010 at 1940 North Monroe Street in
Tallahassee Florida. I will be there screaming for our rights! Although we
have won the battle to maintain our rights to perform combined services as
we have in the past; we must now however fight for the right to be
grandfathered in as state licensed General, Building, or Residential
contractors.
 
Unless the current rule, that is under development, is amended to include
the language below, most of us (indeed almost all of us) will be prohibited
from gaining licensure. These rules have been carefully crafted by industry
associations that wish to restrict contractors who have been dutifully
performing these services and limit the work to members meeting their
criteria and their own testing standards. I believe as a state certified
contractor having proven 8,000 hours in the field and having passed an 18
hour proctored examination over a two-day period, and receiving continuing
education and training as my license survives each renewal period, I am more
than qualified for automatic licensure if I so choose to complete the form
and pay the requisite fees.
 
You MUST, MUST, MUST, raise your voice NOW, TODAY, and if necessary attend
the Construction Industry Licensing Board meeting which will be held May 14
at 8:30 in the morning at the Doubletree Hotel in Tampa (near the airport)
if we are not successful this Wednesday. I will update you on Friday.

All the information to send is below my signature
 
R.J.Koning - Director
Contractors Institute
rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com
<mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com>
<mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com> 
8301 Joliet Street
Hudson, Fl 34667
727-863-5147
 

Please e-mail the following people with the language below pasted in as your
message:
+++
Send to all three:
Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us  <mailto:Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us>
<mailto:Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us> 
Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us
<mailto:Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us>
<mailto:Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us> 
Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us  <mailto:Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us>
<mailto:Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us> 
 
In the subject line put:
"Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop"
 
In the message box, please cut and paste the message below:
 
Dear Sirs; Please forward this e-mail to all members of the Construction
Industry Licensing Board and anyone else involved in the rulemaking process
for the new Home Inspector and Mold Related Services. We wish the Florida
Administrative Rule to be altered as follows. Mr. Robert Koning will be in
attendance at the workshop for further explanation of these few vitally
important revisions.
 
To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Home Inspectors:
 
To 61-30.101 Add the following paragraphs:
(e) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered
Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have
obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida
specific home inspection services approved by the Construction Industry
Licensing Board.
(f) or complied with the licensing provisions for a licensed Residential
Inspector pursuant to the requirements of the International Code Council
(ICC) National Certification Program provided they have obtained 14 - 50
minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific home
inspection services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.
 
Change 61-30.102 Examination:
Any applicant desiring to be licensed as a home inspector in this state as
provided in Chapter 468 Part XV, Florida Statutes, will be required to pass
the National Home Inspector Examination (NHIE) given by the Examination
Board of Professional Home Inspectors (EBPHI), or be a certified or
registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 or hold a
Residential Inspector License pursuant to the requirements of the
International Code Council (ICC) National Certification Program or be
Certified by the training, testing and certification requirements of
Association of Construction Industry Certified Professionals (acicp.org) as
a Certified Home and Property Inspector (CI-HPI). Applicants seeking
licensure through National Home Inspector Examination must achieve a passing
grade pursuant to the requirements of the NHIE, Section 455.217 and
468.8313(4), Florida Statutes.
Rulemaking Authority 455.217(1)(d), 468.8313(4),(6), FS. Law Implemented
455.217, 468.8313, FS. History-New (date)
 
 
 
To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Mold Related Services:
 
To 61-31.101 Add the following paragraph:
(i) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered
Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have
obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida
specific mold remediation services approved by the Construction Industry
Licensing Board.
 
Add to 61-31.102 Examination the following paragraphs:
(3) The department approves the Association of Construction Industry
Certified Professionals (acicp.org) training, testing and certification
program as a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Technician (CI-BCT) or a
CI-Certified Building Contaminant Assessor (CI-BCA)
(4) The department approves all certified or registered Division I
contractors pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 24 -
50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific mold
remediation and assessment services approved by the Construction Industry
Licensing Board.
+++
 

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