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In My past experience I have found that a lot of these "Property Analysts" are not licensed building inspectors. Can they legally write up code violations if they are not licensed building inspectors.

William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP
Okaloosa County
From: Bill LeMaster
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 AM
To: 'Bob Koning'; Ken Rodgers; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Cc: 'Building Officials Association of Florida, Inc.'
Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Personally I don't agree with the "Home Inspector" title. Perhaps "Real Estate Property Analyst" would be more appropriate. Also I feel that rather than writing up "code violations"  that it would be more appropriate to write up observations. IMHO
Thank you,

William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP
Okaloosa County
From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Bob Koning
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:01 AM
To: Ken Rodgers; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Ken, No, I (personally) am not necessarily opposed to any requirement for additional training to have the licenses, but as it stands, you will not be able to obtain licensure unless you have done 120 "certified" home inspection reports in the last two  years or written and performed 40 "certified" mold remediations. That level is unacceptable as baseline qualifications for a Division 1 contractor.

Also, consider this; I have had as many "numbskulls" that are not licensed contractors (they hold the "industry certifications that will automatically provide licensure to them under this new law) completely foul up investigations, remediations, and reports that have caused irreparable harm to hundreds of citizens. One recent industry certified home inspector report contained a list of 32 code violations - most all proved to be incorrect or just plain wrong in the trial - all were harmed but him. His answer; "well that is what I learned in my home-inspector training as "standards" and if they are not code - they should be".

No law will eliminate the idiots, let's not punish the entire class for the actions of one or two.


R.J.Koning - Director
Contractors Institute
rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com<mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com>
8301 Joliet Street
Hudson, Fl 34667
727-863-5147



From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Ken Rodgers
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:56 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Ok, I'm going to go out (way out) on a limb and somewhat agree with Eric.  Bob, I understand your qualifications based on years of experience but what about a brand spankin' new contractor who really doesn't have any experience or knowledge in this area.  I don't remember this subject being addressed on any of my tests or test prep or in any of the many books I had to study.  I for one would not feel comfortable presenting myself as a mold expert or even as a home inspector even though I do have a pretty good working knowledge of most every part of a home.

I'll be honest with you.  I've come across numerous contractors who were either grandfathered in or got their license back when they weren't ask strict on the verifiable work experience.  I would testify in a court of law that several of these guys wouldn't know which end of a hammer to use and certainly do not know much if anything about the trades they are supposedly contracting and supervising to construct a house.  I have been just totally baffled as to how these guys got a license to begin with and how they actually are able to build a structure...they pretty much rely completely on their subs to do what they're supposed to do...and if they don't (which I've seen happen) then they are none the wiser.

So, I'm sure I'm missing something here and would appreciate some further explanation of this issue.  Are we really saying that just because one is a licensed contractor that they should not have to demonstrate (through a test) the knowledge needed to properly do the job.  If this info is covered in the GC testing then I can fully understand not needing the separate testing.

Am I completely missing the point here?

Ken

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuritzky
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:39 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Interesting concept.

Lacking specific training, education, testing and licensure in mold/mildew growth, elimination and remediation, but being a licensed building contractors, seems to imply an expertise in this particular field.  As if being grandfathered in is a right of expectation.  I wonder how many of the liability policies of all these contractors specifically exclude mold/mildew claims. Hmmmm.

Where as the requirement for training, education and licensure as an architect, in the development of single-family and duplex residential construction, is not required, and simply by being a good designer or draftsman seems to be acceptable.

Hmmmm. Oddly hypocritical if you ask me.

A distinct belief that contractors should be allowed to make a living in a field they are not necessarily trained or licensed for, but architects should be denied that same opportunity for one in which they ARE trained AND licensed for.

Let me see, one more thing...a residential designer has little to lose, except reputation and, according to many, a rather limited income per set of plans, I suppose, while an architect has a license to lose and can be fined by the State for doing substandard work.

And it's being suggested that I support a change to the proposed legislation that will obviously enhance the protection of the public.

Yes, yes, quite interesting.
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From: Bob Koning <Bob at ContractorsInstitute.com>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:14:52 -0400
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Conversation: Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Group, It is sink or swim time now! The state of Florida has begun the rulemaking process for home inspectors and mold related services. The first meeting is this Wednesday, May 5, 2010 at 1940 North Monroe Street in Tallahassee Florida. I will be there screaming for our rights! Although we have won the battle to maintain our rights to perform combined services as we have in the past; we must now however fight for the right to be grandfathered in as state licensed General, Building, or Residential contractors.

Unless the current rule, that is under development, is amended to include the language below, most of us (indeed almost all of us) will be prohibited from gaining licensure. These rules have been carefully crafted by industry associations that wish to restrict contractors who have been dutifully performing these services and limit the work to members meeting their criteria and their own testing standards. I believe as a state certified contractor having proven 8,000 hours in the field and having passed an 18 hour proctored examination over a two-day period, and receiving continuing education and training as my license survives each renewal period, I am more than qualified for automatic licensure if I so choose to complete the form and pay the requisite fees.

You MUST, MUST, MUST, raise your voice NOW, TODAY, and if necessary attend the Construction Industry Licensing Board meeting which will be held May 14 at 8:30 in the morning at the Doubletree Hotel in Tampa (near the airport) if we are not successful this Wednesday. I will update you on Friday.

All the information to send is below my signature

R.J.Koning - Director
Contractors Institute
rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com <mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com><mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com>
8301 Joliet Street
Hudson, Fl 34667
727-863-5147


Please e-mail the following people with the language below pasted in as your message:
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Send to all three:
Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us <mailto:Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us><mailto:Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us>
Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us <mailto:Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us><mailto:Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us>
Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us <mailto:Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us><mailto:Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us>

In the subject line put:
"Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop"

In the message box, please cut and paste the message below:

Dear Sirs; Please forward this e-mail to all members of the Construction Industry Licensing Board and anyone else involved in the rulemaking process for the new Home Inspector and Mold Related Services. We wish the Florida Administrative Rule to be altered as follows. Mr. Robert Koning will be in attendance at the workshop for further explanation of these few vitally important revisions.

To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Home Inspectors:

To 61-30.101 Add the following paragraphs:
(e) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific home inspection services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.
(f) or complied with the licensing provisions for a licensed Residential Inspector pursuant to the requirements of the International Code Council (ICC) National Certification Program provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific home inspection services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.

Change 61-30.102 Examination:
Any applicant desiring to be licensed as a home inspector in this state as provided in Chapter 468 Part XV, Florida Statutes, will be required to pass the National Home Inspector Examination (NHIE) given by the Examination Board of Professional Home Inspectors (EBPHI), or be a certified or registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 or hold a Residential Inspector License pursuant to the requirements of the International Code Council (ICC) National Certification Program or be Certified by the training, testing and certification requirements of Association of Construction Industry Certified Professionals (acicp.org) as a Certified Home and Property Inspector (CI-HPI). Applicants seeking licensure through National Home Inspector Examination must achieve a passing grade pursuant to the requirements of the NHIE, Section 455.217 and 468.8313(4), Florida Statutes.
Rulemaking Authority 455.217(1)(d), 468.8313(4),(6), FS. Law Implemented 455.217, 468.8313, FS. History-New (date)



To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Mold Related Services:

To 61-31.101 Add the following paragraph:
(i) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific mold remediation services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.

Add to 61-31.102 Examination the following paragraphs:
(3) The department approves the Association of Construction Industry Certified Professionals (acicp.org) training, testing and certification program as a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Technician (CI-BCT) or a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Assessor (CI-BCA)
(4) The department approves all certified or registered Division I contractors pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 24 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific mold remediation and assessment services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.
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