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Yes. That was why we wanted them to be licensed and wanted the MINIMUM
criteria to be a FLORIDA licensed residential inspector under F.S. 468
or a Division 1 contractor under F.S. 489 WITH the ICC one and two
family dwelling inspector certificate. These were to be MINIMUMS.

 

But, the power of the lobbyist prevailed. Now we have "association"
certified members - almost all of them unable to qualify with any of the
above.

 

 

R.J.Koning - Director

Contractors Institute

rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com

8301 Joliet Street

Hudson, Fl 34667

727-863-5147

 

 

From: Bill LeMaster [mailto:blemaster at co.okaloosa.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:40 AM
To: Bill LeMaster; Bob Koning; 'Ken Rodgers';
'codetalk at myfloridacode.com'
Cc: 'Building Officials Association of Florida, Inc.'
Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold
RelatedServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

 

In My past experience I have found that a lot of these "Property
Analysts" are not licensed building inspectors. Can they legally write
up code violations if they are not licensed building inspectors. 

 

William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP

Okaloosa County

From: Bill LeMaster 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 AM
To: 'Bob Koning'; Ken Rodgers; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Cc: 'Building Officials Association of Florida, Inc.'
Subject: RE: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

 

Personally I don't agree with the "Home Inspector" title. Perhaps "Real
Estate Property Analyst" would be more appropriate. Also I feel that
rather than writing up "code violations"  that it would be more
appropriate to write up observations. IMHO

Thank you,

 

William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP

Okaloosa County

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Bob Koning
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:01 AM
To: Ken Rodgers; codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

 

Ken, No, I (personally) am not necessarily opposed to any requirement
for additional training to have the licenses, but as it stands, you will
not be able to obtain licensure unless you have done 120 "certified"
home inspection reports in the last two  years or written and performed
40 "certified" mold remediations. That level is unacceptable as baseline
qualifications for a Division 1 contractor.

 

Also, consider this; I have had as many "numbskulls" that are not
licensed contractors (they hold the "industry certifications that will
automatically provide licensure to them under this new law) completely
foul up investigations, remediations, and reports that have caused
irreparable harm to hundreds of citizens. One recent industry certified
home inspector report contained a list of 32 code violations - most all
proved to be incorrect or just plain wrong in the trial - all were
harmed but him. His answer; "well that is what I learned in my
home-inspector training as "standards" and if they are not code - they
should be". 

 

No law will eliminate the idiots, let's not punish the entire class for
the actions of one or two.

 

 

R.J.Koning - Director

Contractors Institute

rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com

8301 Joliet Street

Hudson, Fl 34667

727-863-5147

 

 

 

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Ken Rodgers
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:56 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

 

Ok, I'm going to go out (way out) on a limb and somewhat agree with
Eric.  Bob, I understand your qualifications based on years of
experience but what about a brand spankin' new contractor who really
doesn't have any experience or knowledge in this area.  I don't remember
this subject being addressed on any of my tests or test prep or in any
of the many books I had to study.  I for one would not feel comfortable
presenting myself as a mold expert or even as a home inspector even
though I do have a pretty good working knowledge of most every part of a
home.  

 

I'll be honest with you.  I've come across numerous contractors who were
either grandfathered in or got their license back when they weren't ask
strict on the verifiable work experience.  I would testify in a court of
law that several of these guys wouldn't know which end of a hammer to
use and certainly do not know much if anything about the trades they are
supposedly contracting and supervising to construct a house.  I have
been just totally baffled as to how these guys got a license to begin
with and how they actually are able to build a structure...they pretty
much rely completely on their subs to do what they're supposed to
do...and if they don't (which I've seen happen) then they are none the
wiser.

 

So, I'm sure I'm missing something here and would appreciate some
further explanation of this issue.  Are we really saying that just
because one is a licensed contractor that they should not have to
demonstrate (through a test) the knowledge needed to properly do the
job.  If this info is covered in the GC testing then I can fully
understand not needing the separate testing.

 

Am I completely missing the point here?

 

Ken

 

From: codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com
[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuritzky
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:39 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

 

Interesting concept.  

Lacking specific training, education, testing and licensure in
mold/mildew growth, elimination and remediation, but being a licensed
building contractors, seems to imply an expertise in this particular
field.  As if being grandfathered in is a right of expectation.  I
wonder how many of the liability policies of all these contractors
specifically exclude mold/mildew claims. Hmmmm.

Where as the requirement for training, education and licensure as an
architect, in the development of single-family and duplex residential
construction, is not required, and simply by being a good designer or
draftsman seems to be acceptable.

Hmmmm. Oddly hypocritical if you ask me.  

A distinct belief that contractors should be allowed to make a living in
a field they are not necessarily trained or licensed for, but architects
should be denied that same opportunity for one in which they ARE trained
AND licensed for.  

Let me see, one more thing...a residential designer has little to lose,
except reputation and, according to many, a rather limited income per
set of plans, I suppose, while an architect has a license to lose and
can be fined by the State for doing substandard work.

And it's being suggested that I support a change to the proposed
legislation that will obviously enhance the protection of the public.

Yes, yes, quite interesting.
 

________________________________

From: Bob Koning <Bob at ContractorsInstitute.com>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:14:52 -0400
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Conversation: Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop -
ACT AGAIN NOW!
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services
Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!

Group, It is sink or swim time now! The state of Florida has begun the
rulemaking process for home inspectors and mold related services. The
first meeting is this Wednesday, May 5, 2010 at 1940 North Monroe Street
in Tallahassee Florida. I will be there screaming for our rights!
Although we have won the battle to maintain our rights to perform
combined services as we have in the past; we must now however fight for
the right to be grandfathered in as state licensed General, Building, or
Residential contractors.
 
Unless the current rule, that is under development, is amended to
include the language below, most of us (indeed almost all of us) will be
prohibited from gaining licensure. These rules have been carefully
crafted by industry associations that wish to restrict contractors who
have been dutifully performing these services and limit the work to
members meeting their criteria and their own testing standards. I
believe as a state certified contractor having proven 8,000 hours in the
field and having passed an 18 hour proctored examination over a two-day
period, and receiving continuing education and training as my license
survives each renewal period, I am more than qualified for automatic
licensure if I so choose to complete the form and pay the requisite
fees.
 
You MUST, MUST, MUST, raise your voice NOW, TODAY, and if necessary
attend the Construction Industry Licensing Board meeting which will be
held May 14 at 8:30 in the morning at the Doubletree Hotel in Tampa
(near the airport) if we are not successful this Wednesday. I will
update you on Friday.

All the information to send is below my signature
 
R.J.Koning - Director
Contractors Institute
rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com 
<mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com>
<mailto:rjkoning at contractorsinstitute.com>  
8301 Joliet Street
Hudson, Fl 34667
727-863-5147
 

Please e-mail the following people with the language below pasted in as
your message:
+++
Send to all three:
Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us <mailto:Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us>
<mailto:Gw.harrell at dbpr.state.fl.us>  
Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us 
<mailto:Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us>
<mailto:Richard.morrison at dbpr.state.fl.us>  
Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us <mailto:Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us>
<mailto:Call.center at dbpr.state.fl.us>  
 
In the subject line put:
"Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop"
 
In the message box, please cut and paste the message below:
 
Dear Sirs; Please forward this e-mail to all members of the Construction
Industry Licensing Board and anyone else involved in the rulemaking
process for the new Home Inspector and Mold Related Services. We wish
the Florida Administrative Rule to be altered as follows. Mr. Robert
Koning will be in attendance at the workshop for further explanation of
these few vitally important revisions.
 
To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Home Inspectors:
 
To 61-30.101 Add the following paragraphs:
(e) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or
registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489
provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours
related to Florida specific home inspection services approved by the
Construction Industry Licensing Board.
(f) or complied with the licensing provisions for a licensed Residential
Inspector pursuant to the requirements of the International Code Council
(ICC) National Certification Program provided they have obtained 14 - 50
minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific home
inspection services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing
Board.
 
Change 61-30.102 Examination:
Any applicant desiring to be licensed as a home inspector in this state
as provided in Chapter 468 Part XV, Florida Statutes, will be required
to pass the National Home Inspector Examination (NHIE) given by the
Examination Board of Professional Home Inspectors (EBPHI), or be a
certified or registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida
statute 489 or hold a Residential Inspector License pursuant to the
requirements of the International Code Council (ICC) National
Certification Program or be Certified by the training, testing and
certification requirements of Association of Construction Industry
Certified Professionals (acicp.org) as a Certified Home and Property
Inspector (CI-HPI). Applicants seeking licensure through National Home
Inspector Examination must achieve a passing grade pursuant to the
requirements of the NHIE, Section 455.217 and 468.8313(4), Florida
Statutes.
Rulemaking Authority 455.217(1)(d), 468.8313(4),(6), FS. Law Implemented
455.217, 468.8313, FS. History-New (date)
 
 
 
To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Mold Related Services:
 
To 61-31.101 Add the following paragraph:
(i) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or
registered Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489
provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours
related to Florida specific mold remediation services approved by the
Construction Industry Licensing Board.
 
Add to 61-31.102 Examination the following paragraphs:
(3) The department approves the Association of Construction Industry
Certified Professionals (acicp.org) training, testing and certification
program as a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Technician (CI-BCT) or a
CI-Certified Building Contaminant Assessor (CI-BCA)
(4) The department approves all certified or registered Division I
contractors pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained
24 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific
mold remediation and assessment services approved by the Construction
Industry Licensing Board.
+++
 

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